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It's All Your Fault episode 202

Parental Alienation in Divorce with Dr. Amy J.L. Baker, Part 2

High conflict divorce and separation in the family courts consumes the majority of the courts’ time and resources and provides the most frustration and confusion. 

This is the second of a two-part episode with Dr. Amy J.L. Baker in our new High Conflict Divorce series, in which we interview leading experts from the high conflict divorce world – attorneys, counselors, custody evaluators, researchers, mediators and those within the courts themselves. 

In this episode Dr. Amy J.L. Baker, parental alienation expert and author of 9 books, including Co-parenting with a Toxic Ex; The High-Conflict Custody Battle; and Adult Children of Parental Alienation Syndrome will talk with Bill and Megan about:

  • Whether favored parents ever recognize that they’re doing it
  • Parental alienation vs. parental estrangement 
  • Recommendations for lawyers when a child resists or refuses contact
  • Tips for what can be done in mild, moderate, severe cases
  • Tips for lawyers and therapists
  • Tips for parents and grandparents
  • Programs that can help reconnect a child with a rejected parent

Links & Other Notes


Dr. Baker’s Website

New Ways for Families

Turning Points for Families


Co-Parenting with a Toxic Ex

Adult Children of Parental Alienation Syndrome

The High-Conflict Custody Battle


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You can also find these show notes at our site.

Note: We are not diagnosing anyone in our discussions, merely discussing patterns of behavior.

  • (00:00) – Welcome to It’s All Your Fault
  • (01:25) – Adult Children and Alienation
  • (04:16) – Advice
  • (09:31) – Recognizing You’re Alienating
  • (13:19) – Personality Disorders and Labels
  • (16:37) – Evolving the Term
  • (21:47) – Added to the DSM?
  • (24:23) – Treatment
  • (28:32) – Therapists
  • (34:32) – Lawyers
  • (36:24) – Parents
  • (38:53) – Cutting Off Contact
  • (41:09) – Wrapping Up
  • (42:18) – Reminders & Coming Next Week: Part 2 of our High Conflict Divorce series

Hosted by Bill Eddy, LCSW, Esq. and Megan Hunter, MBA, It’s All Your Fault! High Conflict People explores the five types of people who can ruin your life—people with high conflict personalities and how they weave themselves into our lives in romance, at work, next door, at school, places of worship, and just about everywhere, causing chaos, exhaustion, and dread for everyone else.