Kyle Olson:
Welcome back to Marvel Movie Minute, a weekly podcast where we disassemble a film from the Marvel Cinematic Universe into five-minute segments and examine them in obsessive and occasionally hilarious detail. I’m Kyle Olson from the Craft and Chaos podcast.

Pete Wright:
I’m Pete Wright, and I’m also from there, and the internet.

Kyle Olson:
A bird’s wings get clipped, and Steve gets bucked in the A, as we examine 106 through 110 of Captain America: The Winter Soldier from 2014, directed by the Russo Brothers. We pick up where we left off, with the Winter Soldier performing some Quinjet-jacking.

Pete Wright:
He looks cool, too. He just looks like he loves it.

Kyle Olson:
This is the absolute prime-time Winter Soldier. He’s not showboating. Everything is just straight, direct — what is the most efficient way to do this? I’ll shoot the guy through the cockpit, then rip the thing off, throw his body out, jump in, and take his jet.

Pete Wright:
Yep. Of course that’s what you do.

Kyle Olson:
Of course that’s what you do.

Pete Wright:
It’s exactly what I would do. All right, so we’re in the middle of Pierce’s attempted maneuver, right?

Kyle Olson:
Yes. And we keep coming back to the same question: do you think he really means this, or is he literally just stalling for time? Does he really think, at this point, after having tried to kill Nick Fury, that he could flip him?

Pete Wright:
Well, look, this five minutes — you just jumped right to it. This is the return of the king, right here.

Kyle Olson:
I thought you jumped right to it. I was jumping along.

Pete Wright:
No, I didn’t say anything about Fury. This was a secret. We were holding the secret. Oh my god. This is the Return of the King five minutes, right here.

Kyle Olson:
Yes.

Pete Wright:
And they try to set it up as a very impactful moment. Don’t worry, help is coming. What does Natasha say?

Kyle Olson:
Company’s coming.

Pete Wright:
Right. And she says, don’t worry, company’s coming. And the helicopter lands, and it’s Nick, and he’s wearing the leathers again.

Kyle Olson:
And a matching sling, too.

Pete Wright:
Yep. It’s pretty great. Were you relieved that this is the complicated set of minutes? Because we know Fury was alive, but now Fury’s back in the game. Does this mean Fury is back in control — a “Daddy’s home” kind of moment?

Kyle Olson:
Yeah, it does seem like that, and it happens in that minute. It’s literally one minute of screen time. And this is why, when you hire a Robert Redford, you get a Robert Redford. He says, “Did you get my flowers?” I love that. But it does seem like a big buildup for something we already knew. We know who’s in the helicopter. He doesn’t, but it’s a lot of production for — yeah, we saw Nick not ten minutes ago.

Pete Wright:
So my question is, does that work? Because now we have to be surprised that Alexander Pierce gets to be surprised, right? That reveal has to be emotionally resonant, and I don’t remember if it was, for me. There’s that Schadenfreude, that Pierce is now a jerk. Am I going to get that sense of glee when he sees Fury for the first time? And I think Robert Redford is so cool that I’m not sure it really sways him that Fury’s back.

Kyle Olson:
You’re a film aficionado, you’ve seen many, many movies — doesn’t this feel like it would be a surprise for us? It’s structured in a way where Nick shows up and we go, “What?” And then they cut back and show us him, and setting up the plan. It’s almost built like we wouldn’t know this, and then they go back and, Ocean’s Eleven-style, show us the missing piece we didn’t know, and then come back to it. This would be a terrible time for it, which is, I’m sure, why they didn’t do it. But do you think there’s some version where that is what this was?

Pete Wright:
I was wondering if there was ever any sense that that could be a thing. The problem is, we lose some really powerful moments. For example, the last time we talked about Fury, I think it was the conversation around “I guess you’re in charge now, Cap.” Which is the more powerful moment — the king is dead, or long live the king? In this case, I think it functions well enough to move us on, especially because the power move is not just the return here. The power move is: you gotta keep both eyes open.

Kyle Olson:
So when we get to that moment — in order to actually fully unlock the files, you need two Alpha-level members. And as far as we know, there are only two Alpha-level members, and that’s what Nick is. So this was part of Cap’s plan, once Natasha had secured the landing site. The helicopter’s going to be right outside, because that’s Pierce’s personal landing pad — it literally has a door going right to his office. Or at least, the geography is a little bit shaky. We have to think that his office is on the same level as the virtual meeting room.

Pete Wright:
My understanding was that his office is the virtual meeting room. All those columns of glass go down into the floor.

Kyle Olson:
Yeah, we see that when he’s trying to sway Nick the first time. We see him with the traditional office. Is that the other side?

Pete Wright:
I thought that was all the same facility — the same administrative suite.

Kyle Olson:
Is that the reverse of this? Okay, that makes sense. So that would make this the director’s personal helipad. We got the helicopter, but these are the things we’re not supposed to ask.

Pete Wright:
Yeah.

Kyle Olson:
So then he brings up Bogotá again — “that was the moment that changed it.” Which is the thing about Pierce: he’s so slippery. Was that really the moment he decided, or is he specifically bringing it up because he knows it will trigger Nick? Obviously, if Pierce is at a corruption level of ten, Nick is in the high eights, pushing toward nine. So Pierce sees he only needs to push him just a little bit farther, because Nick has done some shady stuff all along.

Pete Wright:
Do you think this is a tough dance between these two guys, because they’re both slippery? When Pierce is trying to make the case — “our enemies are your enemies, Nick. Disorder. War. It’s just a matter of time before a dirty bomb goes off in Moscow or an EMP fries Chicago. You know where I learned that? Bogotá. You didn’t ask, you just did what had to be done.” And he’s already said, “because you were the best, and the most ruthless person I ever met.”

Kyle Olson:
Which Nick does not seem to disagree with. You don’t see him going, “hey, ow.”

Pete Wright:
He’s unswayed. There’s none of that.

Kyle Olson:
Right.

Pete Wright:
And I find that fascinating, because it just seems like both of these guys are so on-mission that we don’t even get to see them be swayed by each other’s daggers. I don’t know if that’s better or worse for the scene — probably better. I certainly don’t get a sense that Pierce is swayed when Fury lifts up his eyepatch and you see the damaged eye. It’s supposed to be a horror moment. It hits us in the audience as a horror moment. But did Pierce already know what was under there? Did he already know what was coming? We don’t really get it — he holds his cards pretty close to his chest.

Kyle Olson:
We know that Coulson knew, but we don’t know how close he and Nick were — close enough that Nick would ever have the patch off when they were hanging out? I don’t know. Is there a My Dinner with Andre with Nick and Alexander? Do they go out on the town, at Sardi’s, just cutting it up?

Pete Wright:
Yeah — “let me just show you what happened with that one thing that we all thought was a cat.”

Kyle Olson:
Yeah.

Pete Wright:
I don’t know, man. I feel like this is one of those things where you put two characters who are so overpowered on the emotional side that you almost miss something on the performance side. I almost wonder if we needed to see more vulnerability in one of them to show the one-upmanship. They’re both so good.

Kyle Olson:
Because in a traditional Hollywood — I don’t know, Transformers-style blockbuster, as opposed to this Cold War Marvel variant — Nick would be trying to bring Alexander back. I was reading a whole article about the redemption arc, and how people keep misunderstanding it. Nick doesn’t try to get Alexander to think, “hey, maybe this is a bad idea.” There’s no move, no card, not even a glimmer of “maybe take a step back from the edge, Alexander, with our history.” Nick has already drawn the line by the time he arrives.

Pete Wright:
Yeah.

Kyle Olson:
I mean, being attempted-murdered — that’ll do it.

Pete Wright:
That’s fair. But let me ask you, though, because Pierce’s argument is not a HYDRA argument, right? It’s an ideological argument. It’s a political argument. “We’re going to be militaristic because we’re going to bring peace to the lives of seven billion people by sacrificing twenty million.” At no point does he address power. HYDRA’s is an argument of power. This is not that. So if anything, you might expect Fury to come in, hear that whole thing, and say, “Look, man, we need to be able to talk about this like grown-ups. What you’re doing is accumulating this mass of power, but it doesn’t even sound like you want to use it for that reason. There’s got to be another means to securing peace for all time.” So I don’t know — it goes back to that. Is Pierce the HYDRA leader through and through at this point, or is he still just a means-to-an-end guy?

Kyle Olson:
Or is he just the spokesman, the face? Because he does try to reduce it down to math. He says, “I can bring order to the lives of seven billion people by sacrificing twenty million.” Which is a very interesting calculation — we’re going to hear another one like it later on in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, with a much different percentage.

Pete Wright:
The numbers are off.

Kyle Olson:
But that’s what he tries to do. And that’s when we see Nick reveal the eye and say, “you need to keep both eyes open.” Which I love — because the next thing we see is Hill in the control room, calling out commands and giving a status update to everybody. And as she’s talking, she pauses, looks in one of her security monitors, and sees there are two — which I like, two, “both eyes open” — two agents, probably strike agents, about to come and kill her. She rolls back in her chair as they burst down the door, fires twice, boom, boom, headshots on both of them, rolls back, and continues her conversation.

Pete Wright:
Six minutes.

Kyle Olson:
Yes. It’s perfect. She doesn’t even mention it, doesn’t say “hang on.” She just continues. Everyone else she’s talking to has no idea what just happened. Could not be more calm, cool, and collected. Cobie Smulders, let’s go.

Pete Wright:
How much do you think — oh man, this is such a loaded question. Do you think the character of Maria Hill has been done right, or dirty, by the MCU?

Kyle Olson:
Oh, I think she was done great. Obviously she’s always in Fury’s shadow, and that’s fine. We have seen her on her own a couple of times, and we’ve also seen her as a Skrull, I guess. She was created by Brian Michael Bendis, who sort of wanted his own Nick Fury when Nick Fury was off the board. So she became that morally gray thing, but has since gained a lot of popularity. She hasn’t gotten her hands as dirty as she does in this one. So having her as the primo agent, I think, is great.

I think it’s kind of sad that she never really got her own spin-off. We could have had a very interesting thing, because she’s not Natasha, she’s not Nick, but she’s also in this world.

Pete Wright:
She’s also not Agent Carter.

Kyle Olson:
She’s not exactly Agent Carter, either. There’s a very interesting thing that could have been done with her — even what they kind of did with Sharon Carter and the Power Broker stuff in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier. That would have been really interesting with Hill as sort of the villain, because they’re both powerful, smart, covert women, as opposed to superheroes-and-then-a-person. This is what Agents of SHIELD tried to do time and again — how can regular people be in this world with us? — and they never really got to. So I’m hoping she’ll pull a Nick Fury at some point and there’ll be a dramatic reveal. But, well, we’ll have to ask Victor Von Doom if that’s going to be in the cards or not.

Pete Wright:
Yeah — because, oof, because right now it’s R.I.P., and that is a very sad state of things.

Kyle Olson:
Yes.

Pete Wright:
We should — I’m glad you said those words, because you and I have not talked about the fact that, as we record this, yesterday the trailer for Avengers: Doomsday dropped. I didn’t see Maria Hill in that trailer, and there were a lot of faces.

Kyle Olson:
No. And there are a lot of people who we know are in that movie who were not in that trailer, and a lot of people we suspect are in it, too. So, in the moment — the week of that coming out — it was kind of a nothing-burger.

Pete Wright:
It was a nothing-burger.

Kyle Olson:
It was a combination of the teasers we’d seen before, and then a couple of things that were new and surprising — but only a couple I can think of. So, who knows when you’re listening to this? Maybe the movie’s come out and everyone loves it. But at this point, they still have a long way to go to get my trust back, after the last couple of things they’ve asked me to trust them on and then done me dirty.

Pete Wright:
It’s the visual-effects parade that is the equivalent of the talent-chair reveal they did a year and a half ago. That’s what we got. If you’re big into the Thor MCU lore, it’s kind of a fun parade — that’s what we get more of in this trailer than anything else, really. It’s Hemsworth.

Kyle Olson:
I guess so. The most exciting thing to me in that trailer was the fact that Shang-Chi and Gambit have a fight. That was the only time in the whole trailer I went, “oh, all right.” The rest of it was, “yeah, yeah, this is kind of how I thought this would be.”

Pete Wright:
But they really showcased the Gambit stuff in the trailer. That was fun, right? We’ve needed a Gambit forever, and it’s amazing that it’s the Avengers movie where we get something of some significance.

Kyle Olson:
Of all the returning people, the one I’m most excited about is Nightcrawler. Alan Cumming coming back as Nightcrawler is something I would never have put on the bingo card for what Doomsday would be. I hope he doesn’t get immediately killed — after all that, to bring him back and immediately… I hope that’s not how it happens. But still, a great character who finally gets a chance.

Pete Wright:
There are a lot of people in that movie who are going to get two lines.

Kyle Olson:
There are a lot of people in that movie. Yes. So, anyway — back to this one.

Pete Wright:
All right. Well, that was a complete digression, but here we are, back to this one. Now there’s just a lot of fighting stuff that happens.

Kyle Olson:
Yes, we’re full-on into the superhero-y part of it now. It’s nice that Cap has to basically throw himself off of the building, and then Falcon gets to do what the wings were built for, which is air rescue. He finally gets to do the thing they were made for. He goes up, throws Cap down, and says, “you’re heavier than you look.” This is what I love about Markus and McFeely — they know when to put that little bit of levity into a heavy, tense thing, with everything out there and people dying.

Pete Wright:
“Had a big breakfast.”

Kyle Olson:
Love it. Then the Winter Soldier makes his move — first we have the Winter shove. He comes flying out of nowhere and knocks Cap off the side, even though Falcon had just put him back there. So he knocks him off. And then, when Falcon goes to do the same thing he just did again, that’s when we see Bucky has this little handheld grapple launcher.

Pete Wright:
Seems like something Natasha would have, one might think.

Kyle Olson:
Right. It fits almost exactly the kind of thing she used under the bridge in that fight. And it launches through one of Falcon’s wings, and then he yanks him back down onto the ground and rips the wing off.

Pete Wright:
And this is the reminder that Falcon’s wings are not yet Wakandan. These are US military contractor wings.

Kyle Olson:
We were talking about this in the last one — they have the handles, and they’re sort of glider-y. They don’t become able to slice through people and things until much later on. I kind of like this more threadbare version. This is a guy with a metal disc, a guy with glider wings, and a guy with a metal arm. There’s no big cosmic thing — you don’t have to really buy into it. You just have to accept it’s a little bit more advanced than what we have now.

Pete Wright:
Just a little bit. But their entire motivation at this point, as we’ve talked about before, is that they are replacing the targeting cards — or blades — in each of the helicarriers. And that is a stupidly benign tech-support run, and they make a giant epic battle out of it. I like that.

Kyle Olson:
Yeah. And this is down to — I think this is Charlie, isn’t it?

Pete Wright:
Yeah, this is the Charlie carrier.

Kyle Olson:
So this is the third and last one. After Falcon gets de-winged and thrown off, we find out that the chute also has a parachute — which I was like, “oh, hey.”

Pete Wright:
Useful.

Kyle Olson:
Exactly. As opposed to, you know, just in case the brand-new technology you just created — this somehow-controlled wingsuit — something goes terribly wrong, you still have a parachute in it. But that means he’s landed back on the Triskelion and can’t get back up in time. Even if he figured out where Pierce’s helicarrier was, could he get the helicopter and fly it up? It wouldn’t happen in the time frame. So he knows he’s out of that fight, and it’s all on Cap.

Pete Wright:
Yeah, I think that’s a good point.

Kyle Olson:
But luckily, we then see that Cap has managed to hang on, and is near the engines — which has got to be hot as hell — and is crawling up the side, and gets into the big open glass server room we’d seen before. Which, as we talked about, is not the most secure place to have the brain of your thing.

Pete Wright:
What is going on?

Kyle Olson:
Yeah — a sort of inverted greenhouse.

Pete Wright:
It’s great production-design armor. It just looks cool, it’s a great place for a fight, it’s threatening.

Kyle Olson:
I remember, one of my friends who’s an engineer, when we were watching Star Trek, said, “I don’t understand why they have the bridge on top of the ship. Why wouldn’t everyone just aim their photon torpedoes right at that point?” That’s why there’s the battle bridge in the Enterprise-D — because it’s surrounded by all the stuff, so you can’t just take out their command in one hit. I think of that here, too. If you had a strong enough missile and you fired it straight up, you probably could do the same job they’re trying to do with the server-blade thing. Do we know — if they destroyed one of these, wouldn’t that also break the connection?

Pete Wright:
Yeah. Just take out the little post with all the wires in it.

Kyle Olson:
Exactly. You’ve got an indestructible shield — it feels like you could just do some percussive maintenance.

Pete Wright:
Throw it real hard.

Kyle Olson:
But maybe that was alluded to in their discussion — it has to be all three connected, or else the two will continue on.

Pete Wright:
Or else Maria Hill can’t take control of all three of them together and aim all their guns at each other, right?

Kyle Olson:
Yeah, that’s true. That is the plan we’ll see later on.

Pete Wright:
The plan. Yeah.

Kyle Olson:
So then the action shifts. Now we know that Rumlow gets activated. He finds out the council has been compromised, and Black Widow is there — so that’s all he needs, and he’s headed that way. And that means Falcon is also headed that way. So that leaves them a battle scene to be had there — the B-story of the action scene.

And then we come down to it. Cap lands on the thing, and in a very Star Wars, Vader-versus-Luke moment, at the other end of the long platform, there’s the Winter Soldier. So now it’s Steve and Bucky, old pals facing off again — Cap still trying to reach out to his old friend, and the Winter Soldier giving him nothing.

Pete Wright:
“People are gonna die, Buck. I can’t let that happen. Please don’t make me do this.” There’s both a broken heart in the performance and the ego, right? “Please don’t let me do this.”

Kyle Olson:
Like, “I’m obviously going to win.”

Pete Wright:
“Do what, exactly?” Right.

Kyle Olson:
“So don’t make me beat the crap out of you.”

Pete Wright:
In spite of the fact that we’ve seen a number of times when the Winter Soldier has your number, man. This is not going to be easy. I love the setup.

Kyle Olson:
Yeah. He’s taken the shield from you twice in, like, two days.

Pete Wright:
Twice. This is not going to be easy. I love it so, so much. And we get the first blows, and then our minute ends.

Kyle Olson:
And we see just a little bit of the fight we’ll be talking about in the next episode. The Winter Soldier has already learned some stuff, too. As Cap is blocking, the Soldier pulls out two pistols and fires one high, which the shield blocks, and one low, which goes past it, under the shield, and hits Cap in the side.

Pete Wright:
Yeah.

Kyle Olson:
Even though he’s been wiped, he still remembers enough about how to fight this person.

Pete Wright:
Very much a “look up here, look up here” kind of move.

Kyle Olson:
So even there, we’re seeing a little bit of it.

Pete Wright:
Yeah, it works. It plays.

Kyle Olson:
And so it’s — this is football. He’s gotta get down the field and get across the goal line. And that is the extent of my knowledge of football terms.

Pete Wright:
You did great, though.

Kyle Olson:
Thank you.

Pete Wright:
If we cut it right there, no one will ever know.

Kyle Olson:
Thank you. Aw, sweet. So that’s — unfortunately — where the minute comes to an end, in the middle of the two of them mid-clash, before this battle of friend versus friend. What will happen? Well, you probably know. But be back here — we’re going to talk about it in the next minute. In the meantime, while they’re waiting patiently for that next episode to come out: is there anything out there they should do? If they heard this episode on the regular feed and thought, “man, I want to hear the next episode right now, maybe even before the regular feed” — is there a way people could do that?

Pete Wright:
Well, hold on, hold on.

Kyle Olson:
Is there a way people could do that?

Pete Wright:
We have a listener comment.

Kyle Olson:
A listener comment. Ooh, very nice.

Pete Wright:
It’s going to be mostly for you, because I haven’t read this yet. Steve Rogers — hi, Steve — in our Discord server, in Avengers Tower, posted… well, there’s been an ongoing conversation there, but he said, “I just downloaded the audiobook of that MCU book on Audible, the one you mentioned last time.”

Kyle Olson:
Ah, yeah.

Pete Wright:
And Steve’s comment was: “It came out in 2023. A little surprised they didn’t want the project to coincide with either Endgame back in 2019, or all the way to Doomsday later this year. I assume the final Guardians is the last movie production they cover, with Loki and Secret Invasion being the most recent completed series discussed.” Have you read the whole book? How does it line up with the production? Does anything seem amiss, given the flurry of production in that era?

Kyle Olson:
I have read the whole book, yes. They only had access for a while, and then they had to stop and write the book. So that’s approximately where it is — they don’t get into a lot of the MCU TV times. It’s more theatrical-based, so they don’t get all the way into Secret Invasion, that sort of stuff.

But I was kind of amazed at how open they were about how messy things were in Phase One and Phase Two. It’s not an official Marvel thing, but it had to go through approval, and there’s — I wouldn’t say dirty laundry, but besmirched laundry in there that I’m surprised they let out. And I’m not trying to drum up support because it’s salacious. They are very candid about, “we did not know what we were doing.” Which I found really interesting, because even the Lost guys were like, “no, we had a plan.” My dudes — I love you, but…

Pete Wright:
We knew how it ended.

Kyle Olson:
So to actually have them put out a lot, and expose a little bit — “oh, this plot happened, or this character showed up, because of a political reason, or a financial reason, or to please some particular region” — there’s all that kind of stuff you don’t think about. You think about a bunch of people in a room coming up with, “this is the best story.” But there are a lot of other factors: availability, money. Like, why is Jeremy running around this movie? Well, financial is a big thing. Why bring in a major Avenger for essentially one scene? Financially, it’s better that you don’t. But how do you do that without compromising the story? So it’s a little bit of the inside-baseball part of it. I do recommend it — it’s probably the most definitive we’re going to get about this era. Maybe in twenty years, when everybody’s past it, we’ll learn the dark and dirty secrets. But just seeing a little bit of the chicken wire and balsa wood of what we think of as rock-solid walls — it was interesting.

Pete Wright:
That is interesting. You teased us last week with the “it seems like they really knew what they were doing” to tie into Agents of SHIELD — and, oh no, they did not.

Kyle Olson:
Oh, no, no. Everything feels fragile. When we did Iron Man 3, there’s a whole chapter on Iron Man 3 that barely talks about the actual movie itself, but gives a whole different perspective on how it came together, which was fascinating. And the same thing — it was a constant frustration of all the TV people that everything went downstream, nothing went upstream. They would say, “hey, we’re going to do this thing,” and — crickets, no response. “Hey, we’re going to introduce the Kree.” Nope, they never heard anything.

Pete Wright:
Wow. So it’s nice to be making a movie about the quintessential team. Do I need to finish? All right. Yes — head to MarvelMovieMinute.com.

Kyle Olson:
I’d say it’s a very good audiobook as well. So if you’re more of an audiobook fan, they have a very good audiobook of it.

Pete Wright:
Awesome. Head to MarvelMovieMinute.com. That’s where you can find out all the information about supporting the show, becoming a supporter and getting early access to all the episodes — a week early — and joining us for live streams. It’s really great to have you be a part of this network. And, of course, you can join Steve Rogers in Avengers Tower, in our Discord server.

Kyle Olson:
That’s right. You, too, could get a long, rambling answer to a basic question.

Pete Wright:
You could be right over there. You could.

Kyle Olson:
This is your moment.

Pete Wright:
You want to know Peak Kyle Olson? You get it. When you ask a tiny question, you get a Kyle Olson trademark answer. That’s what you get.

Kyle Olson:
That’s right. Three divergences. Will they all come back together? Probably not.

Pete Wright:
Probably not.

Kyle Olson:
But that’s the magic.

Pete Wright:
All right. Hey, thank you, everybody, for hanging out. Kyle, do you have anything right now you want to make sure people know about?

Kyle Olson:
I want people to be aware that Onset is available at Amazon.

Pete Wright:
That’s my thing.

Kyle Olson:
Oh, that’s your thing?

Pete Wright:
Dang it.

Kyle Olson:
Well, see, I thought, as a fan, I was just trying to tell people about an author I really like who has a new book out, and people should go find it.

Pete Wright:
You’re a good egg, Kyle Olson. Long-winded, but a good egg.

Kyle Olson:
If you are in the high school drama departments and looking to put out your season — I think we’re probably past that point by the time you’re listening to this — but Gitelman and Good are the publishers of my play, Answer Key. They have not only that play, but a lot of others aimed at teenagers and high schools, and they also work with a lot of independent theaters. Their prices are a lot better than that Samuel French guy. They’re a young upstart. So, support indie theater, support indie publishers, support indie authors, support indies. That’s what it comes down to.

Pete Wright:
Love it. And yes, Onset is out. That’s my first full-length novel — a YA crossover thriller, fiction. I’d love it if you’d check it out. Onset, book one of the Manifest trilogy. It’s there. It’s ready to be purchased.

Kyle Olson:
But, as always, if you just want to make mine Marvel, then this is the place to be — [unclear], Captain America: The Winter Soldier. And then, obviously, occasionally other stuff comes in. Will we end up talking about Spider-Man in a couple of weeks? I think it’s probably inevitable, as there’s a new Spider-Man coming out with the name of one of the worst Spider-Man stories of all time. So, will they be able to pull that off? I don’t know. But I’m sure we’ll end up talking about it.

Pete Wright:
I’m very excited.

Kyle Olson:
It doesn’t matter, Kyle — I’m in the bag.

Pete Wright:
It doesn’t matter.

Kyle Olson:
I already bought my ticket, so we’ll be there.

Pete Wright:
Yes.

Kyle Olson:
So, we’re glad you’re here. We’ll be there. Be at the place where we all are, and we’ll talk more Marvel stuff. I think enough said.