Matthew
Welcome to Star Wars Generations Podcast, where it is myself and Erin. Alex is nowhere to be found. And we are talking about Ahsoka on the run, Asajj Ventress on the run. We’re talking about the Clone Wars Season 4, episodes 14, 19, and 20, which is a bit of a weird collection, but it’s my turn to pick again. We’re still waiting for Alex to decide that a major state crisis that he has to document — and is doing incredible work — somehow he thinks that’s more important than this podcast. I don’t get it. Erin doesn’t get it. But here we are ready to talk about it.
Erin
Well, actually, right now he’s in Japan, so he’s not even saving the world. He’s just having fun.
Matthew
Japan has internet last I checked, so he could be signing on. It is about three in the morning his time. I fully expect him to be doing fun things. Well, he’s probably had a lot of sake and maybe not. I think he’d be entertaining on a podcast at three in the morning. But there we go. We’re just going to move on.
So we have kind of two different sets of episodes. One is a standalone where Ahsoka is returning to her old friend, possible crush, possible going to get her killed, Lux Bonteri. And then we get a two-episode arc at the end of the season about Asajj Ventress and the Nightsisters and all sorts of craziness. But let’s start with Ahsoka. What do you think?
Erin
I love this episode. This was one of my favorites growing up because, as I mentioned before, when Lux was originally introduced — as a little girl, I’m always excited for a little bit of romance in my war show. And then they never brought him up again. And I was like, okay. And then he came back and I was like, I knew it. Of course, as a kid, I was all hung up on their awkward fake kiss in this episode. Now I just see it as more funny shenanigans — Lux being a naive little bitch and Ahsoka being also naive, but at least she knows how to protect herself and others.
Matthew
Yeah, I think this is a really interesting episode for Ahsoka because I do think there’s a tiny bit of flirtation there. But this is — I don’t think there’s ever a moment’s thought that she’s going to come close to doing anything against her vows. This is like Obi-Wan — it’s a teen thing, it’s going to make her blush. But more importantly, it is a time where she gets to go off on her own. She clearly is interested and wants to take care of this person. I think though that this is one of those times where she’s kind of so obsessed with the rules and what’s right that she makes some dumb decisions.
Now I know I’m coming at your girl here, but are we open to this? Because here’s my thing. To remind people who’ve seen the episode: there’s a peace talk happening between the Separatists and the Republic. It looks like we might have a real conversation happening. And Lux comes in — remember, he’s the son of Mina Bonteri, who had been one of the leaders of the Separatists who wanted to make peace. She’s not around, no one knows why. He comes in and reveals it’s because Dooku killed her, and so something should be done about that. They’re all on the neutral planet Mandalore, so the Separatists arrest him. The Republic can’t really do anything, and Dooku is basically about to kill him when Ahsoka helps break him out.
At which point, Lux numerous times says, “I have a plan, you should go away, I don’t need your help, I don’t want to get you in trouble.” And Ahsoka is like, no, no, no, that doesn’t make any sense. I’m going to rescue you. She goes along with his plan, which it turns out involves Death Watch. So this might not have been the best plan. But Ahsoka is then like, why would you get me in danger? How could he be so stupid? At which point — Ahsoka, you had every option to get off this train. He told you to. He gave you opportunities. He said wait in the ship. You were like, no, no, no, no, no. You bought the ticket, you can’t be complaining about the destination.
Erin
Yeah, definitely. There’s some classic Ahsoka stubbornness of, well, I rescued you because you were obviously going to get killed, and there’s no way you, silly little senator boy, could have gotten yourself out of it. So now I have to take you back to the Republic so we can put you in protective custody so Dooku won’t kill you. And he’s like — and then stuns her to sleep. He’s like, I’ve got to go meet up with somebody else. They met up on Carlac, which I believe is in the Mandalorian system. But yeah, Ahsoka wakes up, goes out, she’s like, Lux, what the hell, what’s going on? And then Death Watch pulls up and she’s all protective like, oh my God. And they’re like, hey Lux, nice to see you, who’s your friend? And she comes up with the story of them being betrothed. They go back to the camp. Yeah.
Matthew
And after that, there’s shenanigans, there’s adventures. And yes, it does turn out that trying to make a deal with an honorable, upright group like Death Watch is a really stupid idea. Ahsoka’s kind of riding that and she gets to rescue him. And that’s fun. But I think it’s an important episode for reminding us that Ahsoka — kind of like Anakin — will sometimes act before she looks. But also she’ll be very focused on “I’m right, I know the situation, I don’t need to ask questions.” And I think this is a learning moment for her of realizing that’s not always the case. Maybe she does need to look a little more and try to understand what’s going on without just assuming that if she thinks someone else is wrong, it’s her job to step in.
Erin
Yeah, just without the assumption of “I’m right in all situations” and other people are misguided if they’re going to do something a different way than she would.
Matthew
Right, for sure. Anything else? That was pretty much the main thing I wanted to get into for this episode. It’s also fun because we do get the Lux interaction. I think he’s a really fun character. And you’re right — you’re watching what you want, a little flirtation. I love a little flirtation. And I think it highlights that Ahsoka is someone not like Anakin. She’s been part of the Jedi since she was very, very young. She’s been raised with all of the understandings of avoid attachment, your focus is on the Jedi, you’re supposed to love people but not as individuals. She’s also a teenager and has the hormones. I don’t know much about Togruta biology, but there’s some kind of puberty going on, and there’s Lux looking cute and kind of dumb. And sometimes that’s appealing. I just like that reminder that this isn’t easy — this is the consequence of the “you have to avoid attachment” stuff.
Erin
And just to add — I like the story it tells for Lux. We’ll see him next season on Onderon, and he’s got some stake in a really fun arc there. I like seeing this as his initial moment of, okay, the Separatists are wrong, but I also think the Republic is wrong, I’m going to go out there and do things right. And then he just fumbles it so badly. Because even if Ahsoka wasn’t there, he still would have gone, he would have met with Death Watch, they would have gotten the coordinates, they would have gone after Dooku. But Death Watch still would have most likely burned the villagers’ village and killed the chieftain’s granddaughter. And Lux wouldn’t have been okay with that, leading them to kill him most likely. So I like that the version of him we see next season is a little more hardened, a little more wary. I like that both characters really seem to learn from this.
And I loved the way this episode ended. It ripped my heart out as a child. They get back to the ship, they escape, and she’s like, okay, let’s go back to the Republic together, because we won. And he’s like — he doesn’t even say anything. R2 is just like, hey, the escape pod was activated. And she’s like, what? So she runs down there and she’s like, Lux, where are you going? And he’s like, I can’t come with you. Like, do you really think me coming to the Republic is the best thing? Because it’s not. And they have the classic moment of putting their hand against the glass toward each other. And she says something along the lines of, just stay safe. And I loved that because as a young child I saw it as — I’m glad they brought Lux back, I’m glad we got to see a little more flirtation, but this felt like a closing chapter to their flirtation. They’re going their separate ways. And they’re both somewhat accepting of it. So yeah, I love this episode. I’m really glad you picked it because otherwise I would have picked it.
A couple quick shout-outs. Actually, can I have three shout-outs for this episode?
Matthew
You can have four.
Erin
Cool. So R2-D2 is with them, like I mentioned earlier. When they go there, the Mandalorians are basically using old battle droids and other droids as target practice. And they tell R2-D2, reassemble them. And we get this low-key scary scene of just this one droid being like, “reassemble us, reassemble us,” and all the other droids crowding around R2. He ends up making himself a little friend army, and they come into play to let Ahsoka escape and get the upper hand.
Matthew
Yeah, I will say that scene did bother me a bit. I’m glad you reminded me of it because we’ve talked before about how it does feel like they set it up that our heroes are fighting droids so that we don’t care about the thousands and millions of them being killed, because they’re droids. And there have been a number of times where we’re reminded that droids are sentient, that droids are often suffering and terrified as they’re about to die. And it’s set up as a laugh. So here, when this group is being cruel to droids — granted, they’re doing it in a particularly cruel way. They’re like, we’re going to shoot them, reassemble them so we can shoot them again. It’s not great. I think it’s worse than what the Republic is doing. But by a matter of degree, it does feel a little like we’re supposed to care about the droids when we’re supposed to care about the droids, and the rest of the time we ignore it.
Erin
Yeah, it very much sets up the dichotomy of, well, in this episode it would be really helpful to have these droids come back and make a resurgence, and that’ll help tell our story, and it’ll show just how evil Death Watch is because they’re attacking these defenseless droids. But yeah, you sit there and you have empathy for those droids. I think just because I grew up on the Clone Wars, there’s very little you could say to make me have empathy for a B1 battle droid. But other droids, I can definitely feel that sentient empathy for, especially in a scene like this where those droids had been reassembled with pieces of other droids — they were shortened or mismatched — and it was really, really sad.
Matthew
Very much so. I remember it hurting my feelings as a kid, honestly. Like, Death Watch really doesn’t care about anything. These are evil people. I think it got the point across great. But I love that you brought up the dichotomy. It makes us recognize throughout the entire series: why are Separatist droids considered bad, and other droids are allowed to have sentience and empathy and feeling?
Yeah, that’s my point. I like that they do it — I’m with you on that. I just think it’s interesting that they’re a bit selective about when we’re supposed to care. Well, in the last episode — we’re about to get to the two-episode arc — we get another young person who is trying to be more of an adult than perhaps he should be, like Lux Bonteri. But before we get to Mr. Fett, let’s talk about Asajj and the Nightsisters.
Erin
Oh, I’m so sorry, I had more to say on that episode.
Matthew
I said you could have four and you only did one. Let’s move on. No, keep going.
Erin
Okay, I would be remiss if we talked about this episode and didn’t mention Ahsoka’s original quad decapitation. That was pretty awesome. When the droids come in and make a distraction, Ahsoka throws out her sabers. She’s being held by ropes between four Mandalorians, and she whips out her sabers, spins in a circle, and you see a clean arc across all their throats. It’s a children’s show, so they won’t show us the decapitation, but they show us the bodies falling. And it’s just — she’s such a baddie. She’s savage. I could be misremembering, but I believe we see her pull out that move again sometime in Rebels or during Ahsoka. It may be on droids, not people.
Matthew
I think she actually does it to clones at the end of the Clone Wars, in the episodes after Order 66. But we’ll definitely keep an eye on it because it happens again. It is super badass. Now let’s talk about Asajj.
Okay. So this is one of my favorite and one of my least favorite episodes.
Quickly reminding you: the arc we get is that Asajj attempted to take down Dooku with Savage, and that has not worked out. She’s come back to Dathomir to meet up with Mother Talzin and the Nightsisters and say, I’m so sorry, it didn’t work. What can I do? And Mother Talzin says, I understand — it’s time for you to officially become one of us. And so we get a lot more of the mysticism of the Nightsisters, a lot more of their perspective — how they’re on the dark side, but they’re not the Sith, they’re kind of this interesting place. And we get all excited to have a lot more episodes with the Nightsisters in the universe. Just in time for Dooku to decide he has to kill them all and sends Grievous in with an army of droids. There’s some cool fighting, but eventually Mother Talzin and all the Nightsisters except for Asajj are wiped out. Asajj is told she has to continue on and go live her best life while keeping alive the memory of the Nightsisters.
And she goes off and ends up in a bar and has the best reaction to unwanted flirtation — she gives the guy a warning, like, hey, I’d like you not to do this. He’s like, well, how do I get to know you? And then he grabs her. Oh — I forgot about the grab.
Erin
Because she goes to take a drink and he grabs her hand. And for me, I’m like, whatever happens next is justified. Don’t touch a woman.
Matthew
Agreed. But I kind of like the idea that it was justified even without the grab — he’s there to hit on her, she says no thanks, he doesn’t get the hint. Instant stabbing. Go to Death Watch — I mean, go to death. But either way, it’s a great moment. Read the room, please.
And then she gets noticed by this group of bounty hunters that includes our old favorite Bossk, as well as what looks basically like a psychotic schoolgirl. What’s her name?
Erin
Latts Razzi, I believe is her full name. They just call her Latts most of the time. Yeah, I have a list of the bounty hunters.
Matthew
I think she’s an adult, but she’s got the pigtails and the pleated skirt. It’s definitely a whole look.
Erin
It’s very Harley Quinn inspired, in my opinion.
Matthew
Yeah, that’s a good description. And then Asajj goes on this adventure with them. She has some shenanigans. She’s not really questioning much. And it turns out the leader of the gang is Boba Fett, who at this point — remember, Jango asked that he age normally unlike the clones — so he’s maybe about ten to twelve years old at this point. But, brilliant Jango’s son, he’s running his own little band of bounty hunters. It turns out they’re there to kidnap a teenage girl and deliver her to be the child bride of this fat old guy.
Asajj figures this out and is like, okay, I don’t like this. I want to help this girl. But I still want to get paid — I’m not that much of a hero yet. So she lets the buyers think she’s giving them the girl, because she’s actually putting Boba Fett in the crate — which is going to go well for him — takes their money, takes the girl back to her people, and also gets to collect money for that while also not having sold a girl into forced marriage. She rides off into the sunset.
Erin
And I will say, at the top of this episode, the bounty hunters don’t know what cargo they’re transporting. They don’t know until the middle of a battle when the chest gets tipped over and the girl comes out. Boba Fett actually goes, oh my God — he’s like, what? Don’t worry, I’ll protect you. And she slaps him. And he’s like, okay.
Matthew
Yeah, there’s definitely a sort of echo of the Lux episode — don’t get involved in stuff unless you’ve asked questions. You need to know what you’re getting into.
Erin
But that’s how bounty hunters work. And since Asajj killed their sixth member, they were like, well, join us on this bounty or we turn you in. And she was like, fine, let’s go.
Matthew
Let’s go back to the first part of it for a second, because if you accept that the Nightsisters are going to get killed off, this is a pretty badass episode for it. The fighting is awesome. It’s a lot of Nightsister magic. They summon the spirit of one of the first leaders of the Nightsisters, and she resurrects an army of zombie Nightsisters.
Erin
I will say, I think Daka is actually alive. I don’t think Old Daka is a ghost. I think she’s just kind of minding her business in her little cave, and they go to her.
Matthew
Yeah, it’s like she uses some magic to get into the cave.
Erin
It’s like a wall opens and then closes behind her.
Matthew
Yeah. I thought it was kind of like going into the land of the dead, but you may be right — she’s just over there.
Erin
I’ve always interpreted it as the elders’ secret hiding place because she’s the most valuable.
Matthew
That’s a good point as well. I think both work. And with the Nightsisters, part of the point is that death is like — okay, it’s an inconvenience, but it’s not the end the way it is for others, because they’re necromancers.
And anyway, Mother Talzin basically makes a voodoo doll of Dooku and is torturing him, and she’s only stopped before she can kill him. So it’s a badass episode for the end of the Nightsisters. I’m just really mad — like, we’ve just established the Nightsisters as this badass group, and now we’re going to totally get rid of them.
Erin
Yeah. I remember — I think I’ve mentioned on this show before — I recently did a watch-through of the Clone Wars with my brother, who watched the first three seasons when we were kids and then fell off. We watched this episode, and at the end he texted me from another country. He was like, wait, so they’re actually gone? Like, they’re actually dead? And I was like, yeah. He was like, what the hell, they were so cool, we just got to know them. It was fun to see his fresh reaction since I’d seen the episode several times. But it’s really so shocking.
And like you said, we get this beautiful rebirth scene — they’re chanting, she goes under the water, and Mother Talzin says something about accepting the way of the dark magics instead of the dark side of the Force. Just so much community. They’re having a campfire, they’re having a celebration, everyone is celebrating that Ventress is here. And someone — Karis — grabs her shoulder and says, Ventress, I’m so honored to have you as my sister. And then the droid bombers roll up and it just explodes from there.
Matthew
And it’s like — for Asajj’s story, it’s beautiful and heartbreaking. Because she’s the person who has never been accepted for herself. She’s always been somebody else’s tool. It’s always been, we want you so that you can be part of this group — part of the Jedi, part of the Sith — always someone else’s agenda. And while Mother Talzin isn’t goodness and butterflies and light — she’s clearly dark side — she’s very much like, we want to protect our own, and you’re our own. You’re going to be safe here, you’re going to be able to do your own thing here. And then to have her lose that is heartbreaking and beautiful. I just wish it hadn’t been so overwhelming. Like if the Nightsisters had been driven into hiding or something like that.
And you might — I don’t know if you know more about this than I do, or maybe this is something we ask Alex. This is late in Season 4. The show kind of ended in Season 5, and then Season 6 was episodes that they thought weren’t going to air, but did. And then Season 7 came much later. And I wonder if there was already a suspicion that they weren’t going to get many more seasons. So there was an original plan to do a lot more with the Nightsisters, but then they decided, look, if we only have one more season, there’s so much else we want to do — should we just kill them off now?
Erin
That’s an interesting thought. I haven’t researched it, so I haven’t seen anything saying one way or another whether the decision was made based on plot alone or due to production and financing. But yeah, it’s so sad to see them go just like that. And one thing I’ll mention is that Mother Talzin technically doesn’t die in this episode. We see the other Nightsisters stabbed. We see Old Daka impaled by Grievous. But Grievous comes at Talzin and she wisps away into a green smoke. And so there’s this idea of, did she give up her earthly body? Was she never quite real? It brings up a lot of questions about Talzin and sets up that they can bring her back in Season 6 as kind of this ghost witch, misty witch. And one other thing about this episode I loved — they finally brought the defoliator back from the episodes with our favorite Scottish Jedi. They finally used the weapon we’d been asking about since Season 1: why are they testing this weapon and never using it again? Here they used it. And it’s devastating.
Matthew
It didn’t make too much sense, but at least it came along. Yeah.
The way I understood what happens with Mother Talzin — and the reason I think of it as death, but a continuing death — is that this is kind of a dark-side equivalent of what Obi-Wan does at the end of A New Hope. She becomes the mist that is often associated with their magic. And then she’s able to kind of have an effect on things, but only like — she never just does her own thing. It’s like when someone comes to Dathomir, they can kind of bring back her spirit to talk to them. So it’s not an exact one-to-one, but that’s how I took it.
Erin
Yeah, I get that. That makes sense.
Matthew
So maybe she isn’t dead, but Grievous struck her down and she became more powerful than he could possibly imagine, or whatever.
So now let’s go on to the next one. She leaves. She goes to this bar. She stabs the guy who grabs her and just gives the response, “I’m not a talker” — which is just such a wonderful “leave me alone.” She’s got headphones on, don’t go and try to talk to her, because she might have a lightsaber, and I am voting not guilty if that happens.
But yeah, what’s next — getting to see Bossk, getting to see the beginnings of this gang that will show up a lot more.
Erin
I love this episode. I love a good bounty hunter episode. And although it still had serious themes, I feel like whenever they throw in bounty hunters there’s a touch of lightheartedness, just because it gets us away from the main plot of the war. I loved Embo’s little cameo — him and his hounds. We got to see Dengar, who was part of the squad. He’s a very little-mentioned character, but he is technically one of the bounty hunters sent after Han Solo. And there was Bossk as well. So is Boba Fett, obviously — but this is baby Boba, like we mentioned. And then Latts, who has this very fun scaly lasso-type weapon that’s really cool. I can never tell if it’s a weapon or if it’s part of her. But it’s cool. And then we get to see a droid called IG-88 — wait, I think it might be called Highsinger — I don’t have any recollection of him appearing again, but I know he can withstand being electroshocked, which most droids cannot. He just kind of flicks it off and goes — the subtitle said something like “mechanical growl.”
Matthew
And I love that he’s kind of like a babysitter-slash-protector-slash-manservant to Boba. And you’re right about the humor. I think it’s hard to do humor and darkness at the same time, especially with kids, and some things do it very well and some things miss the boat. I think sometimes Star Wars can miss the boat on that. But this one I think really nails it. Because he’s a twelve-year-old running a group of bounty hunters — that’s inherently funny, that’s inherently ridiculous. At the same time, he’s someone who three years ago watched his father be beheaded and literally held the head of his decapitated father, has no family, and is making his way in the galaxy by himself. In order to survive, he’s had to not only become a bounty hunter but take on a crew. There’s something really dark and tragic about that, as well as being kind of ridiculous and funny. And I think this episode captures both sides of that.
Erin
Yeah, that’s a good point. Watching this episode as a kid, I interpreted Boba to be between 16 and 18. But now as an adult, with the timeline in mind, I know that’s not true. And so he kind of came off to me like a delinquent teen. But no — he is either a preteen or a new teen. And like you said, it’s really sad that since he had nothing and no one, he not only turned to a life of crime but somehow built up enough to have a crew to protect him. And that feels like his family.
Matthew
And it’s good that he’s put together a family, but also rough —
Erin
And this family depends on you paying them.
Matthew
Right. Just in terms of the timeline — we established that the order for the clones was placed about ten years before Attack of the Clones, and that starts off the Clone Wars. The Clone Wars are a maximum of three years. So he’s twelve to thirteen at this point, maybe a bit older — depending on whether it was exactly ten years or more like eleven. But I think the oldest he could be right now is fourteen.
Erin
Yeah, I agree. So what do you got on your list for this one?
Matthew
What do you got, I should say.
Erin
This one, it gives heist movie kind of vibes. I’ve never seen Bullet Train, but I imagine it’s similar because they’re all zipping down the track on this high-speed train. And the native people are chasing them on these giant centipedes. They hop on board, they’ve got these big vibroblades — very cool design. They have bright yellow eyes, these really cool masks. And yeah, we just get a bunch of fun fight scenes, hand-to-hand combat. We see Dengar use his little bombs because he doesn’t want to get his hands dirty. And then he gets knocked on his ass and thrown off the train. I don’t know why I have a problem with Dengar — I just decided to have a problem with him today. Anyways, surprisingly, Bossk also gets thrown off the train. Latts and Highsinger go together because she tries to grab somebody, accidentally grabs Highsinger, somebody pushes him out of the train, and that pulls her as well since she has her fancy little lasso.
One thing I loved about this episode is the design of this planet. It’s so cool — it gives the vibes of eternal nighttime. It’s not quite night, but it’s very dark out, very dim. And these people have really white skin and light hair, which — if we’re assuming their biology is similar to humans, you need sun to not be pale. And if they don’t have sun, it makes sense their skin would be so white. And I loved that they mentioned, hey, why can’t we just land a ship on this planet? Wouldn’t that be easier? And yeah, it would be, but the entire planet is pressurized, so your ship would explode upon landing. I just thought that was such a cool concept for a planet.
Matthew
It’s really interesting. They make this whole train job — basically like Firefly — they make it all make sense. And I think I like all of how it plays out. I love the stuff with Asajj and bringing back the girl. But I also love that I think it would be very easy to make Boba be like, cargo’s cargo, shove her back in the box. And I like that he still has some humanity. He’s not a hero, but he’s also not like, you know, mustache-twirling villain. He’s got some humanity.
Erin
He’s a child looking at a child going, why were you in a chest?
Matthew
Yeah, exactly. And to me it also — I like the Boba Fett show a lot more than a lot of other people did. It had problems, I get it. But one of the things was that people want him to be this evil mastermind. They want him to be this super badass. But the thing is — no, he’s just a man making his way in the galaxy. He’s not super benevolent, but he’s also not unnecessarily cruel, and he has no real desire to help subjugate people just to make a buck. So I feel like it’s very much in his character that he’d be like, yeah, I’ll help some criminals smuggle cargo or whatever, but a person — a kid — that’s not cool.
Erin
A child. And he doesn’t know this, but a child who’s about to be a bride to a clearly adult being.
Matthew
Yeah. Not cool. Not cool. No. All right, what’s on your list? Let’s wrap it up and take us home.
Erin
Last thing for this episode. I feel like it’s one of those things where you’d expect them to bring it up a season later, and maybe this does show some time crunch on their end. But the girl — her name is Pluma — she says to Ventress, “You would never get it. You don’t know what it’s like to have everyone you love ripped away from you.” And we all know that happened to Ventress — maybe yesterday in the timeline, or she might have been in the outer rim for months, we don’t know. But Ventress says, “Oh, how I wish I didn’t.” And that’s when she has that change and decides to let the girl go back with her brother. I love that ever since Dooku tried to assassinate Ventress, we’ve seen her run through this morally gray space where she’s still decidedly not fighting for good — she kills a lot of people without mercy — but she’s not working for “the man,” the big boss. So I like that we see just a gradual graying of her character rather than dark to light. She’s somewhere in the middle, which I believe is where the Nightsisters kind of land. And yeah, I like how this develops her character. That’s all I have on this episode.
One thing I missed from the first episode — hit us.
When Ahsoka comes out and she’s like, hey Lux, where the hell are we? And then Death Watch lands and she’s like, oh my God. And they’re like, hey Lux. And she looks at him like, what the hell did you do? And they say, who’s the girl? And he kind of looks at her, and she kind of looks at him, and she goes, “I’m his betrothed,” and kind of falls in on his shoulder, whatever. And then Bo-Katan steps forward, looks her up and down, goes, “A little skinny if you ask me,” and slaps her on the ass. And that’s just hilarious for that to be their first interaction. And then our next known interaction between those two is trying to take Mandalore back from Maul. And it’s just —
Matthew
Well, being very, very grumpy at each other.
Erin
Very grumpy, yes. But I think some of it shows — I’ve always thought there’s a bit of an age gap between Bo and Satine. A bit more than we maybe think. I always felt like Bo was more of a late teenager, early twenties when she first joined Death Watch.
Matthew
Well, I think Satine is like ten to fifteen years older.
Erin
Yeah, okay. So I just think it’s funny to see Bo doing some childish, petty stuff when she’s such a serious, grounded character in the live-action shows.
Matthew
No, I hear all that. I love everything you brought on. I just want to close with one last thing, which is that we have this two-episode arc. This is not the first time, but it’s one of the only times. Here are characters who do not appear in this arc: Anakin, Ahsoka, Obi-Wan, Mace Windu, Darth Maul, Savage, Palpatine, Dooku, Grievous, battle droids in any real way, any clones, Rex, any of them. None of those characters are in this episode and we don’t need them. I feel like sometimes there’s a need to say, okay, we’re going to tell you the story, but we’re going to have Anakin show up at the end, or Obi-Wan, or some other Jedi — to tie it in. And I just love that we don’t need that. This is just people on the edge of the galaxy doing their stuff. This is just the train job.
So, all right. Erin, it is always awesome to have you on. Thank you so much. Please check out Lady Tano Creates on Instagram — you can find Erin’s awesome cosplay and stuff like that. Please check out my other podcast, Superhero Ethics — we’re having a lot of fun on there. And hang out here because pretty soon we’re going to start doing some episodes to get you ready for Maul: Shadow Lord, the show that’s coming out pretty soon. That’s going to be super exciting. Please subscribe, like, all that good stuff. Most importantly, we have spoken.
Erin
Stay classy, Carlac. Please reassemble us.
Matthew
I’m not much of a talker.
