Pete Wright
Hello, everybody, and welcome to Taking Control, the ADHD podcast on TruStory FM. I’m Pete Wright, and I’m here with Nikki Kinzer.
Nikki Kinzer
Hello, everyone. Hello, Pete Wright.
Pete Wright
Oh, oh, hi. Hi over there.
Nikki Kinzer
Hi.
Pete Wright
We are we’re following up. I think it’s considered a follow-up, a spiritual sequel to our conversation last week.
Nikki Kinzer
Yes. Yes.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Nikki Kinzer
It’s all related. They’re all connected.
Pete Wright
It’s all related. We’re talking about emotional regulation when you’re already feeling depleted. Last week we were talking about being exhausted, and so here we are talking about what’s going on in our emotional systems, our nervous systems. as we are uh as we’re dealing with that sort of exhaustion. I’m very excited about this. We have a lot to say. Uh and before we do that, we’re gonna say, hey, uh head over to take controladh. com to get to know us a little bit better. We’ve got the show there, of course, you can listen to it. W would love it if you would join the mailing list and uh uh you know we’ll send you an email each time a new episode is released uh if you don’t already have us in your favorite. show management app, whatever that is, be it YouTube or Apple Podcasts or uh Spotify, whatever that is. Um We’re also on all the socials, of course, Instagram, Pinterest, Take Control ADHD. To really connect with us, though, we invite you over to the ADHD Discord community. It is a growing and thriving community of folks living with ADHD. And just looking to make their lives better and find a little community and camaraderie there. It’s really great and positive and well moderated, uh, I shall say. Our moderators are the best. And so you can do that. You can join by just visiting takecontroladh. com slash discord. You’ll be whisked over to the invitation and login page. Of course, this show is made possible by people like you. I think that’s what they used to say on my PBS kids shows. Um this is a listener-supported podcast. And if you visit patreon. com slash the adhd podcast, you’ll see what that’s all about. For a few bucks a month, you will get to join our community. and get access to even more of the stuff that helps you understand how you are living with ADHD in your own skin. Uh you get access to the Triple Secret uh member only channels in our Discord community. You get access to live streams of the podcast as we record them and of course early access uh to the podcasts too. Uh this is a an incredible community. It is uh made even better because we can keep doing it because of Patreon. support uh helping to keep this thing thriving and alive and growing. Patreon. com slash the ADHD podcast to learn more. Okay, Nikki, emotional regulation when you’re already depleted. Oh dear.
Nikki Kinzer
Wow. All right. So as you said, last week we uh talked about compassionate reframing. Uh so that was reminding ourselves that, you know, being behind often just just means we’re tired or if we feel behind, it just means we’re tired and we uh need to hold ourselves with that kind of compassion. So this week we want to talk about understanding and managing our emotions. When you just can’t regulate them because you’re empty, you’re tired, you have low energy, you’re not feeling good, you’re overwhelmed. I mean, how many people have the flu right now? Oh my gosh, it’s a lot, right? A lot of sickness going on. Um, so I think we forget that those things for us to regulate our emotions we have to be in a s in a state where we’re feeling good, that we’re able to manage them. And sometimes that just doesn’t happen when you have ADHD. Um, because that it most most of the time there’s this emotional dysregulation where these things can feel um real intense at the time. So I want to to talk a little bit about what these things mean. So I’m going to go into education mode if that’s okay with you.
Pete Wright
Absolutely.
Nikki Kinzer
I’m going to be a teacher.
Pete Wright
Teach me, Maestro.
Nikki Kinzer
I’m gonna teach because we talk about emotional, what’s the difference between emotional regulation?
Pete Wright
Yes.
Nikki Kinzer
What’s the difference with what’s RSD then? Is that emotional dysregulation and what’s regulation? And there’s just so many things that we we throw out there. So Emotional regulation, right, is when you’re able to manage the intensity of whatever you’re feeling and you’re able to recover from it. So That’s when you know that you’re upset. You can sense it. And so I know that the best thing for me to do is instead of talking to Pete and telling him how I really feel, I’m gonna go and leave, I’m gonna leave the room. Because I’ve not regulated. I can sense that in myself. So I’m regulating my emotions that way, right? Or if you’re really angry, I know that this is the time for me to go. uh punch the the punching back because that’s gonna release that anger. I can manage that. Well the ADHD brain feels emotions more intensely. It’s one of the symptoms of of ADHD. So what happens is you’re feeling angry a hundred percent, you know, uh maybe I’m at 50% and you’re at 100%.
Pete Wright
Oh my god, I don’t know if you can’t get it.
Nikki Kinzer
And we’re dealing with the same thing. So let’s say that we get a negative response or like a negative comment about our podcast. It’s gonna bug me and I’m not gonna love it, but you may think about it for the rest of the day
Pete Wright
Oh, Nikki, you’re radically underselling how long I’ll think about it.
Nikki Kinzer
Okay. So that was a good example then
Pete Wright
There oh no, it’s no, of course. It’s the best example. Negative comments about the podcast, about any of my podcasts I could tell you chapter and verse the ridiculous negative comments that I’m still litigating in my head from ten years ago.
Nikki Kinzer
Oh okay, yeah.
Pete Wright
They’re still there. They’re still there.
Nikki Kinzer
All right.
Pete Wright
In the dark, bat infested recesses of my brain.
Nikki Kinzer
Yes
Pete Wright
That stuff still hangs around.
Nikki Kinzer
That’s good. That’s the I’m glad I brought that up as an example. them because that is definitely the the difference, right?
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Nikki Kinzer
Is that um I can kind of talk myself out of I can still feel bad and feel feel something about it, but I can I can talk myself out of it and kind of let it go, right?
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Nikki Kinzer
um where yeah you’re having a harder time letting that go. That’s that’s emotional dysregulation. Now RSD is rejection sensitive dysphoria. This is very specific. It’s a painful reaction to something that has happened. It’s something that you have perceived as rejection, criticism, or failure. So it could be an RSD moment, could be getting a bad, like let’s say that you get um an annual review uh for work and you’ve got 90% of these great things, but then there’s this 10% that says, I would like you to work a little bit more on this. That becomes 90% of how you’re dealing with the emotion, right?
Pete Wright
A hundred percent.
Nikki Kinzer
That’s that’s what you’re zeroing in on
Pete Wright
There’s a lot of percentages, but yes, yeah, that’s correct.
Nikki Kinzer
Right, yeah. Like I’m 90% upset about this now, even though it was only 10% of your review.
Pete Wright
Well, it in and and that ninety percent is like it’s not just that I care about that ninety percent. It’s that I recontextualize that 90% as personal judgment. Like not just, hey, I need you to be more on time with something or I need you to, you know, I I need you to be more attentive to such and so. I don’t even know what it is. But what my brain hears is not that and then cares about that a lot. It’s that plus because of those things I hate you.
Nikki Kinzer
Yeah, right, right.
Pete Wright
Right. Because of those things, because of that 10%, I think uh as your manager, I’m gonna start a campaign where I try to get you dismissed from this job because you shouldn’t be here.
Nikki Kinzer
Right. I’m gonna get fired.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Nikki Kinzer
Like it’s done, right?
Pete Wright
Right.
Nikki Kinzer
And that’s where the all or or nothing thinking happens too with ADHD.
Pete Wright
Right.
Nikki Kinzer
Zadl symptom comes in. Because a worst case scenario.
Pete Wright
Mm-hmm.
Nikki Kinzer
Yeah. So RSD, I think one of the things that if you’re interested in learning more about RSD, which I know this is a hot topic for a lot of us. Definitely review um or listen to our conversation with Dr. Dotson again. And we’ll put those in the show notes because he was sort of the founder of it, kind of started talking more about it and really um Talking about what it is and and naming it. So I would definitely um encourage you guys to listen to that conversation. So emotional dysregulation is broader than RSD. RSD is a very specific thing. Emotional dust dysregulation is really it doesn’t have to be about anything in particular, right? You’re just your your tolerance is lower when it comes to frustration, mood swings, getting stuck emotionally, all of these different things. And so when you’re not feeling good, your ADHD is louder. These symptoms are louder and the guardra guardrails just sort of fall off on your brain’s executive function and and what you’re able. to do. So I think the important thing to walk away with if you have ADHD is that this is not a choice. It is biology. You can’t will yourself not to feel how you feel. So regulation has to start from the bottom up, which means from the body to the brain, not from the logic down. We can’t pretend like we can just not be sensitive. So example here is I shouldn’t be so sensitive. Well first of all, under what standards, right? Like who, where’s the should coming from? And a lot of times I hear people say, well, I people will tell me I shouldn’t be so sensitive.
Pete Wright
How do you think on your website?
Nikki Kinzer
I’m too sensitive. But you feel what you feel. And so, you know, I feel, I think that what we want to do is understand that, okay, right now, in this moment, it is more intense. Then it will be tomorrow. So we’ve got to give ourselves grace and we have to try to remember that what we’re feeling right now in this moment is going to lessen over time.
Pete Wright
Right now, I know that you think that’s yeah, I think that’s
Nikki Kinzer
This too shall pass. And I know that you had said that, yeah, I’m still thinking about the things that are happening ten years ago, but I can pretty much guarantee you don’t have the exact same emotion right now in this moment from something that happened 10 years ago.
Pete Wright
Right. I mean I can find it pretty quickly.
Nikki Kinzer
And then relive it.
Pete Wright
I can relive it. Yeah.
Nikki Kinzer
Right?
Pete Wright
But yeah, I’m not actively I’m not actively existing in that space today.
Nikki Kinzer
And that’s a whole different thing. But yeah Right.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Nikki Kinzer
Because that’s what’s happening in the moment. So that’s something we have to remember is that you know it’s biology, it’s not choice.
Pete Wright
Yeah. Dysregulation, right? Like it feels most intense and then it it can drop off fairly quickly, but it lasts a long time.
Nikki Kinzer
Yes.
Pete Wright
Whereas yours approaches zero very quickly.
Nikki Kinzer
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Nikki Kinzer
Uh when your tanks low, Pete, this is a question for Pete Wright.
Pete Wright
Okay.
Nikki Kinzer
When your tanks low, what are your first signs that your emotional regulation is starting to? Slip. What do you know?
Pete Wright
Um Yeah, okay, so um swings.
Nikki Kinzer
What do you know about yourself already?
Pete Wright
I I will shut down. I’ll become I’ll become unable to
Nikki Kinzer
Mm-hmm.
Pete Wright
to uh manage my already fractured attention. Everything all of the signal of like my to-do list Order no longer matters. Even if I have really thoughtfully said, do this next and this after that and this after that, none of it matters. They all are screaming as loud as it can be. The other thing that is that I’ve been thinking about this throughout the morning since I saw that that grenade of a question buried in the outline.
Nikki Kinzer
Question ’cause it uh it just so everybody knows on the show notes it says Pete in bold.
Pete Wright
Yeah. Yeah. So I saw that and I’ve been really thinking about it and I realized one of the things that I do. This is this is a new awareness. is by way of projection, I will subconsciously start using language with other people. that is damaging to me, right? So I’ll start being passive aggressive or short, especially in text messages I’m usually fairly bubbly in text messages, like I’m a but but I’ll get short. That’s usually a sign that I’m feeling crappy about myself and I’m trying to I don’t know what I’m doing. I’m am I sharing the load? Like trying to make everybody feel crappy because I’m feeling crappy.
Nikki Kinzer
Maybe, yeah, like who knows?
Pete Wright
But I start weaponizing my feelings by turning them outward against other
Nikki Kinzer
Yeah. Yeah.
Pete Wright
And I did not, I didn’t, I had never really thought about it that way. And good God, I’m sorry. Because how horrible is that?
Nikki Kinzer
To anyone that’s gotten a short text. Yeah.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Nikki Kinzer
But I think it’s honest. And I think that that’s what happens.
Pete Wright
I think that’s why you like my uh
Nikki Kinzer
Because I would say the same thing. Uh what I notice is I’m definitely shorter with my family. Cranky, cranky, cranky. Because most of the time I would say I’m a pretty bubbly, happy, easygoing person. And um, but yeah, if I’m not feeling well or I feel depleted, I’m definitely um much more. on edge. And my and my family is the ones that get it because they’re the closest to me. And I feel like when I’m at home, I can I can let all my guard down, right? But if I’m at work, I can’t be like
Pete Wright
But if I remember I can
Nikki Kinzer
cranky and snappy to a client, that would be horrible. Like I’d lose my clients, right?
Pete Wright
Right. I have to find all the
Nikki Kinzer
So um but when I’m at home and I’m with my family and even my friends, I can put that guard down. So I think that yeah, I’m definitely the same way.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Nikki Kinzer
Uh so yes, family, sorry if I’ve been, you know, snippy snappy at ya.
Pete Wright
Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
Nikki Kinzer
Um, but definitely. So I’ve also heard some clients say that um like someone’s tone can annoy them if they feel like they don’t understand the tone. Like is this person really angry with me or are they like being sarcastic or are they joking? Like that can be really hard to to figure out so that can be hard or they can feel it physical uh physically like they’ve been, you know, hit
Pete Wright
Mm-hmm. Uh huh.
Nikki Kinzer
in the stomach or in the chest. Um, and then that all or nothing kicks it back in.
Pete Wright
I don’t think that hard. I don’t know if that’s I I don’t think that people are going to be able to do that.
Nikki Kinzer
I, you know, I start thinking the very worst. I’ve ruined everything. This person hates me. um I’m getting fired, whatever it might be. So I think that awareness is one of those things that we really do want to think about that question.
Pete Wright
Yeah. I think that aware should be that much
Nikki Kinzer
You know, so the people that are are listening, you know, what when your tanks low, what are the first signs that your emotional regulation is slipping? Because the more that we can become aware of it. It doesn’t necessarily mean, again, we’re not fighting our feelings, but we can just know that, okay, this situation that I’m going into is going to be a difficult one.
Pete Wright
Mm-hmm.
Nikki Kinzer
Um, and be able to uh set the stage to that a little bit. But again, I want to just say this is not a moral, moral failure on anybody’s part.
Pete Wright
Yeah, that one
Nikki Kinzer
This is your nervous system saying, I’m overwhelmed, right?
Pete Wright
Right. Biology.
Nikki Kinzer
This is Yes, yes.
Pete Wright
Chemistry. Yeah.
Nikki Kinzer
Yeah, for sure. Um, so what are some practical things that you can do um when you aren’t able to regulate and
Pete Wright
Um so what are the classical
Nikki Kinzer
Uh, when I was doing the research on this, it was really interesting because one of the things that it said was that ADHD brains, they don’t want a five-step Plan, which is funny because I give you guys a lot of five-step plans.
Pete Wright
Right.
Nikki Kinzer
So I hope that’s not entirely true. Um, but I can understand that when you’re in the middle of an RSD episode or you’re feeling really intense about something, yeah, you’re not gonna go back to, oh, what did Nikki and Pete say?
Pete Wright
But I hope that people find Yeah, we’re not saying it’ll have opening
Nikki Kinzer
P What’s step one? What’s step two? Right. Like I get that in this context, that totally.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Nikki Kinzer
make sense. We can’t talk ourselves into being calm. So what can we do? I want to ask you, Pete, before I kind of go to my go-tos and what I do and what I what I uh
Pete Wright
I wanna have alright. I think that’s why I’m gonna
Nikki Kinzer
uh suggest my clients do what do you do if you know that okay I’m being cranky I just sent a text that probably wasn’t the nicest thing what do you do
Pete Wright
Yeah. So I well I’ll tell you and and I want to do a bit of a sidebar on another recommendation for a couple of books by Steven Borgia. Uh which uh the the first one was called uh poly por uh polyvagal theory, the polyvagal theory. And the follow-up to that was Polyvagal Perspectives. Now, I was recommended these books by Dr. Dodge back in the day. And so it’s been a long time. Um and I was going through some stuff and Dodge said, these are gonna be interesting look inside yourself. Now let me just tell you, the the the premise of these books is all about how um you know how the vagus nerve and the parasympathetic nervous system uh uh i controls us and deals with this regulation. And uh he talks a lot about neuroception, right? That this subconscious neuroception is the subconscious detection. of safety or danger. And of as we know, for ADHDers, our neurosception is completely miscalibrated. Right. We perceive criticism, time pressure, mundane frustrations. They’re all existential threats, right? That’s that’s one of the grand premises. of these books. Now the first one, Polyvigal Theory, you would think you should read this first because it will totally help you understand it. I say don’t do that. because it is just a collection of journal articles and such gigantic words that I probably got 15% of it.
Nikki Kinzer
Oh boy.
Pete Wright
Like it is just a it’s a dense book.
Nikki Kinzer
That’s saying a lot because you have good vocabulary. You have a lot of big words in your vocabulary, so
Pete Wright
Oh I’m tell I’m telling you, this book is a banger for for uh for high-minded concepts. Now Polyvagal Perspectives is full of interviews and uh and conversations with people about these topics, and I find it imminently more approachable. And what the the big big lessons here. Is that regulation does not come from, as we’ve said, willpower or breathing exercises alone. You have to tell your nervous system that it is safe again. You have to find a way to To get your nervous syn system to perceive safety, right? And that can come from a number of different ways, but it’s it really is. If that’s our foundational goal, that safety Is the treatment. What are you doing to be safe, to feel safe again? And for me, it goes back to connection, right? Connection is biology in this context. It is not sentimentality. Co-regulation. Again, this is a this is a a precept from the book. Co-regulation, borrowing calm from another’s nervous system. is neurophysiological process, right? It is not just feeling better because someone cares. It is a physiological process. Being with other people is a massive physiological credit to feeling safe again. So uh for me, that is a hundred percent it. If I try to do it by myself, it will take me longer and I will feel worse along the way. The other the the last thing that he does is it that he talks about is the vagal break. When you’re in a regulated state, your vagus nerve acts like a break on your heart rate and your stress response and even your digestive system. system, right? It’s this it is this um it’s a r it is a regulator. ADHD and trauma and Chronic stress, all of those things can impair the break, which is why you feel like you’re always on, because it’s like somebody has cut the break line. And you have nothing in your system to say, whoa, this isn’t real, right? This is fake experience. This is manufactured experience And not this is a figment. This is a phantom. And I can move past it. When you don’t have a vagal break, you are in, you’re setting yourself up for trouble. So all of these things. um you know the the stress and trauma and and sleep and all of these things. They’re just sawing away at your vagal break. And um And so I I I keep that like in the back of my mind. I think that’s a really useful concept. So for me, it’s about people, right? It’s about connection.
Nikki Kinzer
Well, and I love that you bring this up before I kind of talk about my go-to’s because I think it’s a good addition, right? Because what you were saying is it’s not just about breathing. We need to add something to that because Breath for me definitely helps me calm myself, right? And and I mean when we are in our GPS um sessions, when we are getting ready. to do our planning and when we are done with our planning we take a we do a breathing exercise at the the beginning and at the end.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Nikki Kinzer
And it’s so important because it does give you, it gives you that sense to pause. And now I almost want to say, okay, now I’m I’m safe. I’m in a safe place, you know.
Pete Wright
But look at this, Nikki, look at what’s so interesting about that. You’re doing that at the beginning of GPS when you are together with other people.
Nikki Kinzer
Yeah. Right. It’s all about connection and community.
Pete Wright
It’s all about connection. And I think that’s a really yeah, you’re in a safe space.
Nikki Kinzer
And you’re in a safe place. You’re in community.
Pete Wright
What I I think what what
Nikki Kinzer
Yeah.
Pete Wright
Porgius would say is that breath is great. And when you are in a compromised state and you are alone. Breathing is a start, but wow, is it more important to get yourself into a safe place with someone else? And I think what you’re describing is Exactly the punchline of that setup, which is look at what we’re trying to do together to make sure that we’re set and calm and that our vagal break is is functioning. and we’re doing that using a a multitude of tools at once.
Nikki Kinzer
Mm-hmm.
Pete Wright
But the most important one might very well be that you’re doing it in a group.
Nikki Kinzer
Well, I also think what’s so interesting about what you said too is that you’re borrowing from someone else’s call. And so like I think about one of the things I do periodically during the day is I will go and pet my dog.
Pete Wright
Mm-hmm.
Nikki Kinzer
And sometimes he nips at me, so sometimes he’s not that calm.
Pete Wright
Sometimes, yeah.
Nikki Kinzer
But for the most part, yeah, yeah.
Pete Wright
He’s he’s trying to cut your vagal break.
Nikki Kinzer
But for the most part, he’s like all snuggly and cute and And I’m able to like pet and love on him. And it does. It like releases that any kind of stress. And so you can kind of prompt you know, you’re taking that from something. But the other thing I want to say is that I think that there’s something about also if you’re listening to it going back to breath, if if you’re by yourself, you’re not in community, finding a uh uh a a meditation or someone that calms you when you’re listening to them, I think could also be a really good thing. Because I I follow one particular person because I like how she sounds.
Pete Wright
I know you’re not going to be able to do that.
Nikki Kinzer
I like I like um whenever I listen to her I feel calm. And so I think that that I can see how that makes a big difference. On a side note, we’re doing this organizing cult uh challenge, and there’s a member that has been um a member of the challenge for a few years, and she doesn’t know this, but I’ll tell her on Saturday. Her voice just calms me down every time I hear her speak because she’s so positive and she’s so like lovely and she’s just got this like calm. calmness to her. And so I can see where like it it definitely um I I can see all of those things. I am safe. Yeah. Very important. Good job, Pete.
Pete Wright
Yeah. Well, hey, thanks.
Nikki Kinzer
But I’m gonna also add in a couple of things that you can do when you’re safe, but do but that does break the um
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Nikki Kinzer
what’s happening, the pause, that where you need the pause. And this is something in and actually she’s in the in the um uh chat room right now listening to the uh live stream Ice cold water. If you splash that on your face or you go like and put um like you know Cold water under your hands, go outside when it’s like snowy.
Pete Wright
Oh, especially on your wrists.
Nikki Kinzer
That like yeah, on your wrist.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Nikki Kinzer
And and talk uh Dr. Um Tamara Rosier talked about this too. Like that cold water, and I’m sure there’s something biological about it, but like it stops you in your tracks. And um, so that is something too that I just want to say that try it. If you haven’t tried it, try it and see what happens.
Pete Wright
Yeah. Yep. Yeah. I in the in the note you also have do ten wall push ups and pace while pace while breathing.
Nikki Kinzer
Yeah.
Pete Wright
Those physiological like movement things, I do that all the two uh all the time too. I I’ll go in and make myself some tea, and right where our tea kettle is, uh, is the corner in our kitchen, and I will just do some corner push-ups on the kitchen counter. And I find that a huge reset to, you know, especially for context shift, but also for just reminding myself that I’m safe. I’m in my house. Everything is firm. Everything is solid. Nothing is giving way beneath my feet.
Nikki Kinzer
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Love it.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Nikki Kinzer
All right, so after we’ve done some grounding, whatever that looks like for you, uh, we definitely want that awareness to come back. uh around and and name the emotion and what do you think you need at this time. So if you can say I’m feeling angry, I need to, what? you know, or I need to call my best friend or I need to to talk to my spouse. Like what does this emotion need right now? And I think that that can make um that can also be something that you can do to to help you not get out of it but help manage it. And uh so that can definitely help and make a difference. In our last week, we talked a lot about like language resets and kind of how we’re talking about ourselves or to ourselves. And I think that that makes a big difference too, is that we’re talking about, you know, this too shall pass, or we’re telling ourselves, this is a wave, it’s not forever. My brain is trying to protect me right now. When we have limiting beliefs, when we’ve talked about limiting beliefs before, uh we are saying when when that’s happening, it’s because something we’re trying to protect ourselves from getting hurt, right? And so it’s a good reminder to to say that this is what’s happening. You can pause. You don’t have to solve everything right now. I think that that’s also a really great reminder that even though I’m feeling this way right now, it doesn’t mean that it’s gonna to be forever and I can take my time if I need to make a decision or if I need to process something, take your time. What do you think?
Pete Wright
Yeah, for sure.
Nikki Kinzer
Tell tell our listeners what we have for them.
Pete Wright
Well, we have a uh this is uh this is gonna be the year of it, I think, of these associated uh partner are paired digital downloads. So what you have done is you have created a new uh free download titled Regulate and Reframe a Guide for Emotional Dysregulation and RSD
Nikki Kinzer
Yes.
Pete Wright
And it really is is just a guide to help you understand what’s happening when you’re emotionally drained or stuck in RSD. And it gives you these simple ways to just sort of ground and reset and Find your way back to safety. Uh, and it’s going to be in the show notes and you can download it there. And we would love for you to have it and use it and let us know how it how it works for you.
Nikki Kinzer
Yes. Absolutely. There you go.
Pete Wright
All right.
Nikki Kinzer
We did a show.
Pete Wright
We did a show. We made a show. I think we I I think there’s some really good stuff in here. And I please let us know. Jump into the Discord and let us know how it’s working for you. We’d love to continue. this conversation there. We appreciate you as always downloading and listening to the show. Thank you for your time and your attention. Don’t forget, if you have something to contribute to this specific conversation, we’re going to be in this thread in the Show Talk channel in our Discord server. You can join us right there by becoming a supporting member at the deluxe level or better at patreon. com slash the adhd podcast. On behalf of Nikki Kinzer, I’m Pete Wright. We’ll see you right back here next week on Taking Control, the ADHD podcast.
