Matthew
Hello and welcome to this episode of the Star Wars Generations Podcast. Today myself and Alex are here to talk about Maul: Shadow Lord episodes three and four, and we are opening with a hard-hitting question: To-Boots the droid — is he a narc or a snitch? I think he’s more of a snitch.
Alex
I don’t know, man. He had multiple chances to stand down.
Matthew
I think he’s a narc. I mean, they’re both cops, and ACAB is in effect here as much as anywhere else. But to me, a narc is when you’re being a cop when you’re supposed to be with your friends. Like, cops are always cops, but here it’s not about being a cop — it’s about snitching to the higher authorities, the Empire, instead of letting the cop be a cop. They’re both cops here.
Alex
Let me ask you, Matthew: are all cops narcs, or are no cops narcs?
Matthew
I think cops are by definition narcs. A narc is someone who — you’re hanging out with your friends and someone’s doing something that, okay, maybe it’s a bit shady but it’s not really harming anyone, and they’re going to go rat you out to the teacher or something like that. That’s a narc. A snitch is when some real stuff goes down but you’re still going to talk to the police. Either way, he pissed me off.
I did want to admit my own personal failure — and granted you failed a little bit at this as well, but it was mostly me and Erin, because we had first shot at the episodes last week. I realized there were two things going on that we should have called attention to. First of all, the name of the head of the rival gang that our short king took out — do you remember what his name was?
Alex
No, I already forgot.
Matthew
Everyone called him Demis, but his real name was Nico Demis — as in Nicodemus, as in one of the many names for the devil. That’s brutal. It doesn’t seem any worse on the surface, but I’m like, okay, I see what you did there. The other thing, though — we are so in love with Sam Witwer for very good reason that I think it’s hard sometimes to remember all the other great voice actors. But have you recognized the voice actor for Uncle Daki the Jedi master?
Alex
No.
Matthew
What if I were to ask you: are you in good hands with Allstate?
Alex
No way. That’s him?
Matthew
Yeah. That is Dennis Haysbert, who’s done a lot of things and been in a lot of productions, but probably most people know him as one of the voices from the Allstate insurance ads.
Alex
That’s actually wild. I did not know that was him. Yeah, I went down a rabbit hole though, because I was wrong — I seemed to mark Krim’s dialogue and I was like, is that Mark Hamill? It is not Mark Hamill. It is the same voice actor who played Krim in The Clone Wars episodes, which is Stephen Stanton, who is a renowned voice actor. He also played a young Tarkin and voiced major characters. I was just obviously convinced it was Mark Hamill and I was wrong.
Matthew
I think there are two things there. One is that it is hard to tell voice actors apart sometimes — we’re focused on the visuals and stuff like that. But the other thing is Mark Hamill is fairly foundational in sort of creating the modern art of voice acting. There were some very incredible ones before him and a lot of incredible ones after him, but there’s a certain vocal style that he has helped define that I think a lot of other people have mimicked, whether intentionally or unintentionally — in the same way that every kind of tough-guy actor is to some extent influenced by John Wayne and Humphrey Bogart. So yeah, I’ve definitely had others where I was like, is that Mark Hamill? No. Okay. No, it’s not.
Alex
He also just — Mark Hamill will just sneak into random little voice lines. You know, he’ll do characters like, wait a minute, that was Mark Hamill just as a random character.
Matthew
Yeah, it’s pretty good. All right, so let’s talk about this episode. For me the heart and soul of this — and where it just blows me away in the best way, like what The Acolyte gave us and what I want more of — is getting to watch in real time a seduction to the dark side. What Maul is doing in bringing Devon in — we’ve joked about this before — I think the Emperor, other than with Anakin, is generally really bad at convincing people to join the dark side. He says hey, look at this trap, don’t you want to step in it, give into your anger — and of course Luke is like, oh so I shouldn’t give him my anger? Good tip, thanks. Palpatine did that again with others. But in terms of what the Stranger did in The Acolyte, in terms of what we see Maul do with Devon here, he never does that. He just gently prods her anger and forces her to question things. Just those first couple of lines at the start hit me so hard. He first says, “I can tell that you are settled on who you believe I am. Would you like me to be that person? I am capable.” That hits me hard — he’s saying, look, I can be the villain if you want, I can be the boogeyman that the Jedi told you I was, but that’s not me. And then later he offers to take care of her, and when she’s surprised, he says, “I suppose concern about your well-being doesn’t fit with what you’ve been told about me.”
Alex
I mean, Maul is such — that’s why I love the character. He’s so refined. You listen to him and you’re almost like, wait a minute, is he sane? Is he right? He’s one of those characters that really convinces you. If I were in Devon’s shoes, or in the shoes of any of the other Jedi that have been tempted by him, I would be far more persuaded by Maul than by Palpatine, I’m not gonna lie. It took Palpatine essentially 15 years, give or take, to turn Anakin. Maul is making quick work of these people — he’s convincing them to at least give him a chance in a matter of minutes.
Matthew
No, it’s very different. He’s looking at what they’re angry about and what they’re upset about, and he does just such a good job of needling her — like, I’m sure your master would be so proud of you if you killed me.
Alex
That whole scene, Matthew — the conversation is happening first, very like, I’m making tea, let’s sit together, and then it goes on to where she grabs the red lightsaber, it’s totally dark, and the flashes — it just felt very foreboding, very foreshadowing. You could see her anger and she kept resisting it. We talked about this last week where you were a little afraid of her just giving in too quickly. I don’t think she’s going to give in too quickly. I would not be surprised if she’s not fully turned until the eighth or ninth episode, or even maybe the very end.
Matthew
Yeah. Especially knowing that we already have a season two, I think we’re not going to really see her turn — and assuming she becomes Darth Talon, which I think is a fair assumption but by no means assured — I think we’re going to see that in season two and this is really the origin story.
You talked about whether he’s insane or what, and I think part of it is that he is 100% sincere. He never lies. Everything he says he believes is true. He is manipulating her, but everything he says he believes. I see this even more with his conversation with Lawson the cop later — he’s like, you and I should unite against the Empire. He may well be planning to screw the guy over later, that’s certainly on the table, but I think he 100% means it. The Empire is awful, Darth Sidious is awful — why don’t you people want to work with me against this? And Devin says, well, you’re a murderer. And he says, well, whatever we do, we have to survive. He genuinely understands that he’s the bad guy.
Alex
I don’t think he does. I think he continues to think he’s the main character. He’s like, who cares? Why does it matter?
Matthew
Right. And the way he says it — don’t we all do what we have to do to survive? She was talking about stealing to survive and for him it’s like, what’s the difference? And of course for her there’s this big line between stealing some fruit and murder, but he’s kind of pointing out, is there?
Alex
And to be fair — everyone knows I defend Anakin, so I’ll defend him here too — Maul does make a somewhat valid point. The Sith killed his mother, the Sith killed his brother. He’s very much manipulating that a little bit, but it is true: the Sith took everything from him and cast him aside. So he probably genuinely believes he is the victim in every situation and just does what he has to do to survive. That’s completely valid in his brain, because they tried to murder him multiple times, cast him aside, took everything from him — why shouldn’t he do whatever he has to do to survive if everyone does whatever they want to him?
Matthew
Yeah. The way he framed that was so telling. He says they killed his brother, they killed his mother. And yes, Mother Talzin was just kind of doing her own thing, and they sent the droid army and Grievous — they tried to take out Dooku, fair enough, but they sent the droids to wipe them out. Palpatine had no desire to kill Savage though. They went to Sidious and tried to kill him, and Sidious fought back and killed the brother and let Maul live because he could still use him.
Alex
I’m going to have to correct you, Matthew.
Matthew
Go ahead.
Alex
Sidious did get on a shuttle himself and fly to Mandalore to fight them.
Matthew
Sidious went to — oh no, you’re right. I’m thinking of something later. I know. I think Sidious’s intention, though, was to kill Savage just to make Maul suffer. It was not like a this is a useless pawn — it was, kill him to make Maul miserable. Yeah. Okay. I’ll take that back. That’s not the example I thought it was. But the point is he’s crazy in that kind of way — he has a frame for understanding the situation and every fact gets twisted to fit it. But the thing is, a lot of facts already do fit it. He’s one of only a few people who knows that this Emperor Palpatine, who’s claiming to do everything for the good of the people, is Darth Sidious. He knows so many things and no one will listen to him.
Alex
That probably makes him feel crazy, honestly. He just wants someone to believe him. And I really think that Maul’s manipulations, while they frustrate me in some ways, seem to be very effective.
Matthew
I fully believe that Devon may well fall to the dark side. I’m curious though —
Alex
Is Maul going to kill her master? I’m really curious about how that comes apart, because she seems very loyal to her master.
Matthew
Yeah, that’s a good point. Especially because we talked about how in last week’s episodes we saw her being taken away and her master didn’t try to stop it — he said, just trust it, the justice system will work, which, major eye roll. We saw her have this moment where she’s watching and looks upset that instead of trying to save her, he tries to save people on the bridge. I understand where he’s coming from — the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one — but to her it feels like he’s saving random strangers instead of her. I figured they were building up a major resentment there. It didn’t come out in these episodes, but I certainly think it’s starting beneath the surface, and I think there may be another situation like that that’s what breaks her and makes her turn against her master.
Alex
Yeah. I would actually be interested — similar to The Acolyte — if she had to be the one to kill her master herself.
Matthew
Master Daki. Yeah. I think it’s well within the realm of possibility. I don’t think it’s assured — Maul might kill him, someone else might kill him. I like to think Mr. X is always on the table. I don’t think it’s likely by any means, we haven’t seen anything to prove it, but it’s dangerous to assume anything in terms of which way these characters are going to go.
Alex
That’s fair. I just like to make guesses and then be proven wrong.
Matthew
One cool thing I noticed — the fight scenes were great, and normally I don’t think of them as developing the plot, but sometimes they do. Did you notice that when he was fighting her by himself he had one hand behind his back?
Alex
Yeah, which is just super disrespectful. He’s like, you’re nothing, I’m only going to give you one hand. And Dooku used to do that often when fighting Anakin — you could tell when things got serious because Dooku would put his second hand on his saber. The similar vibe with Maul here is like, I’m fighting with half of my lightsaber, one hand.
Matthew
Right. When he takes out the pike, that’s when he puts the two sides together.
Alex
The murder of Krim harkened back to episode eight, when Kylo ignites his lightsaber and kills Snoke — just the swiftness of the turn, the lightsaber flips around, cuts him basically in half. It’s like, damn. Maul just — he’s not just savage, he’s got finesse, he’s got style.
Matthew
He’s the drama queen that Anakin wants to be. Everything he does has style points on it. The one thing I’ll say though is I have no reason to think Krim is dead, and Maul shouldn’t either — because we certainly know being bisected at the waist is not a death sentence in this world.
Alex
I feel like it is more of a death sentence in animation than it is in live action.
Matthew
Well, part of the idea is that the hate of the dark side is what kept Maul alive. But it’s like, that’s a very deliberate shot — you don’t show someone getting bisected in a Maul show exactly the way Kenobi did to him without there being some intention behind it.
Alex
Fair. I don’t think he’s going to come back though. I think it’s definitely just a death, because I think he was just a plot device to move forward Maul’s control of the Pikes.
Matthew
Well, can I just say one more thing? Just again — to me the hand behind the back, all of it, is showing he’s willing to fight her, but there are numerous times where he could kill her and he doesn’t. He’s basically just fighting her to indulge her. And one thing I love: he set up this whole thing — can you escape? In her mind she steals a lightsaber, she does all this stuff, she fights him, and now she’s going to get away. And when he just says, “I’m going to need that back, Devon” — as she’s leaving with the lightsaber — to me that so clearly shows: I let you borrow that so we could have our fun little fight, but you were never in control, you never actually stole that from me, everything is playing out exactly as I foresaw — to quote another Sith. That was just such a power move in such a good way.
Alex
Yeah, I agree. And did she actually say her name at any point?
Matthew
I think so, yeah. I think Maul says, “I would like to know your name,” and she says it.
Alex
Okay, because I forgot that she had said it and I was like, did he peer into her mind or something? Either way — when he fought both of them together in the next episode, he was very much dual-blade, two-handed, and you could see he was struggling a bit in the fight. But also he ended up injuring Daki the most with a kick — not even his lightsaber — which I thought was a little interesting. And as Maul was escaping, he’s just pissed at this Daki character getting in the way.
Not out of left field, my larger prediction: the Empire is now here, and the very next episode name has something like “Inquisitor” or “Inquisition” in it. I think the Inquisitor is going to pull up and they’re going to stumble on Daki and Devon. Daki’s going to sacrifice himself to save Devon, Devon’s going to go on a rage and kill the Inquisitor, and then Maul’s just going to be there like, yeah, welcome to the dark side. I’m proud of you.
Matthew
I could see that. I was thinking a little differently — that Maul might help rescue Devon. But either way, I think there’s definitely going to be a moment where Maul uses the Inquisitors to say, look, I’m not the Jedi and I’m not them.
Alex
That would be so on the nose of the Ezra thing too — all the Inquisitors pull up and Maul’s just like, let’s fight them together, I’m on your side. And then he attacks Kanan. It would be kind of interesting if he does that, kills Daki that way, and then thinks that he could do that again with Kanan down the road, which is why he tries it with Kanan and Ezra and fails.
Matthew
Yeah. And often I don’t want things to just repeat, especially with Maul. But I think you’re really onto something there — if it works, of course he would think to try it again with Kanan and Ezra.
I think that’s a great idea. So let’s move on to our wonderful cop. Again, not an on-the-nose name at all — a cop with a troubled son named Lawson. Do we just have lacrosse in the Star Wars universe now? Like, they never named the sport his son was playing, but he was running and carrying a stick that looked an awful lot like a lacrosse stick.
Alex
Those — I don’t know how to call it — but did you ever play as a kid with those little things where you hold it and it’s just a little half-circle arc and you throw the ball back and forth?
Matthew
Yeah. It’s called lacrosse. No wait, it was something else. I think I know what you’re talking about, and I always thought of it as like the Wiffle ball version of lacrosse.
Alex
And in our lovely show Maul, it is called Botkin, which is the galactic version of lacrosse. Okay.
Matthew
Cool. Also, I think the kids are in high school and they must be in the Botkin equivalent of Texas Friday Night Lights, because that’s a full stadium they’ve got. Like, that’s not 300 kids and their parents sitting in the bleachers rooting for the high school team — that is everyone in this town. High school athletics can be great, I support it, but that was a big stadium. That’s Friday Night Lights Texas style.
Alex
And Lawson just gets access to the field basically. I was like, okay.
Matthew
I did roll my eyes a little at him having to be pulled away, because it is just such a cliché of the cop balancing his personal life with his professional life.
One thing though — I rewatched episodes one and two to get ready for this, and something I hadn’t caught before: his wife, his ex-wife, works for the Empire.
Alex
Yes, I picked up on that. Two-Boots at one point says, “Is that part of why you have this hostility?”
Matthew
I’m curious what her role in the Empire is. I’m sure we’re going to get a scene where she’s come there to help with the mission to find Maul. Maybe she’s ISB or something.
Alex
It could be a very fun, awkward family reunion scene. Do you think we’re going to get a cameo of any kind — Maul, Vader, Palpatine, Tarkin, any of the big Imperial hitters, or someone like Yularen from the ISB?
Matthew
I think possibly Yularen. I think for continuity reasons it can’t be Vader, because we’ve already kind of established that Maul knew Anakin, he fought Anakin, and later in Rebels he sort of makes the connection of figuring out who Vader is. I don’t want things to get confused in the middle of that relationship the way the Kenobi show did.
Alex
Maul figured it out at the end of the Clone Wars — he was the one who was like, you don’t see what Anakin is going to become. I have to kill him.
Matthew
But I don’t think he realized it was Vader himself at that point. I think he knew something was going to happen with Anakin.
Alex
Well, I think Maul knew about Palpatine’s prize pupil. I think Maul still maybe wants to kill him, but I don’t know.
Matthew
Either way, there’s clearly so much mystery around Maul. I don’t think we need to bring in Vader, but I think Tarkin is a possibility. I think Yularen is a better possibility.
Alex
Palpatine in a hologram would make sense to me too. It would not bother me.
Matthew
What do you mean Palpatine? We have like four different people who do a very good job voicing Palpatine in animation.
Alex
Oh, bring in Ian McDiarmid, let him do it.
Matthew
I mean, he’s one of the people who did it, and he’s only done it more recently, but you could get Tim Curry, you could get some of these people.
Alex
You could get a lot of people. And I don’t want to see Palpatine show up in person necessarily, but like a brief under-30-second hologram transmission, or if there’s a pan to Palpatine back on Coruscant with an Inquisitor reporting back — and Palpatine just frowning that Maul is still alive or something. I think it would just be satisfying. Not anything major, but I think a little reaction from Palpatine on his former apprentice wreaking havoc would be really satisfying.
Matthew
Possible, possible. I like my cameos. So here’s my question about Lawson. Should he have teamed up with Maul? I feel nuts just saying that. But Maul is saying: we don’t want the Empire here, the Empire is going to make things worse. The planet already has these crime gangs. If he says, let me run the crime and I’ll keep the Empire away — we’ll work together to keep the Empire away from this planet.
Alex
It sounds so nice on the surface, but we all know that’s kind of the classic mob deal — like the mob and the police in New York in the twenties.
Matthew
The one that came to me was when the U.S. Army worked with the mob to drive the Nazis out of Sicily.
Alex
Yeah, but I just don’t know if Lawson and his people have enough control. If the U.S. Army could have eventually taken out the mob to some level, I don’t think Lawson could really take out Maul — Maul’s too nimble and strategic. But they do both need each other in a way. Maul does want to stop dealing with this headache, and Lawson wants to deal with the Empire.
I just think it would have ended up blowing up in Lawson’s face because Maul would have betrayed him at some point. We’ve seen Maul betray people who are not 100% loyal to him. And even if they are, he kind of just — die well, you’ve done your part. He leaves people in worrying situations to die. He just looks out for himself at the end of the day. I would not be surprised if Lawson jumped in with him and Maul just left him to die. So I don’t think Lawson really lost anything major except for the time the Empire would have been off his planet.
Matthew
I think you’re probably right. Maul is a murderer, a killer, a villain — no question of that. But I do think Maul is right in terms of understanding what the true problem is right now, and everything else kind of fades in the face of that. There’s some extent to which I have sympathy for him and kind of want someone like Lawson to work with him. I think it’s still on the table somewhat. I don’t think it’s going to happen. I think you’re right that it would eventually not work out for Lawson. But the quickness with which he rejected it made sense for Lawson’s character, and I appreciate that Maul says, you’re a man of honor, I appreciate that — die well. I wouldn’t mind if Lawson gets further tempted by that offer.
Alex
Which would honestly not surprise me — as the Empire pulls up and his ex-wife is here and things get testier, Lawson goes back to Maul and says, okay, let’s make a deal to drive the Empire out.
I think Lawson’s going to have to pick a side. Does he side with his wife and the Empire and become even more of a cop, double down on being a cop? Or does he work with Maul, drive the Empire away, and more or less free his planet? Does he try to rebel by joining up with the Jedi more? He seems like a Jedi sympathizer. I think it’s possible. He’s very hard to read.
Matthew
Yeah. So this brings me to the other character who’s a big part of this: Two-Boots. Narc. We joke that he’s a narc, he’s a snitch, whatever you want to call him. My question though is why? Because I think there are two ways we can read his character, and a lot of it has to do with how much independence of thought droids have.
There’s been a wide variety of that. You get someone like C-3PO who has to follow his protocol — it wouldn’t be proper, he can’t translate something from the Sith language. There are things he’s just supposed to do. And I can believe Two-Boots is someone who just has to follow the rules. The Empire is supposed to be told what is happening and it short-circuits him to think, I’m not going to follow that protocol programmed into me. The other way to see it is that he genuinely thinks, like Lawson, that he wants to do what’s best for the people, but this is too hard a case and the Empire can help. So is he following the rules because he’s a rule follower, and Lawson can eventually get him to be like, screw the rules? Or is he genuinely an Empire sympathizer who thinks the Empire is going to make the trains run on time and clean things up?
I definitely feel he’s going to be the Lando Calrissian of the season — like he’s going to have a moment of turning on the Empire and helping someone escape. I’m just not sure if it’s going to be because they reprogram him, or because he gets convinced the Empire is wrong.
Alex
It’s a good question, because it leads to a deeper question about droids in Star Wars: how much free will do they really have? C-3PO has his protocol and is often coerced into doing things. R2-D2 and Chopper kind of do whatever the hell they want. Other droids are bound, even if the free will is bound by level programming. So maybe it’s hardwired programming that the Empire is good. I don’t know at what point he can overcome his programming as a droid. How much can free will play into this versus, does he have to be reprogrammed?
Matthew
Does he have to be? And they did try to hint at this — when they’re at the end, Two-Boots blocks the photo of him and Lawson with some stuff on his desk. So Two-Boots must have some sort of connection to Lawson — kind of how R2-D2 has a quote-unquote emotional connection to Anakin. It’s always hard to know with a droid where the programming ends and the emotions begin.
Alex
Yeah.
Matthew
No, I think that’s true. And to me, R2-D2 and Chopper are people — droids — who have a lot more freedom of thought than C-3PO does. But even with C-3PO, I feel like there’s a difference between “I can’t impersonate a god, it wouldn’t be proper” versus “I am physically unable to translate from Sith into Galactic Basic.” And where Two-Boots’s loyalty to the Empire lies, we don’t know. I don’t think we’re going to get that fully explained. But I do agree with my theory that he’s quite possibly going to be the Lando of this season. He could be. I just don’t know.
Alex
But like, that decision being made — something has to happen with the programming. K-2SO makes crazy decisions because of his programming change. But do we even have any precedent for a droid just fully changing and going rogue without a reprogramming? Think of all the droids.
Matthew
C-3PO says “I can’t impersonate a god” and Luke and Han convince him to. There are definitely times when he says this is my line, I can’t cross it, but then they convince him to. Granted, he thinks of Luke and Han as his masters, so that might play into it.
Alex
I think protocol droids are really designed to serve their master. Astromechs are meant to be really free-thinking because they have to fix a ship in the middle of space and think on their feet. I don’t know what level of autonomy a police droid has, but if given enough, then yeah, I could totally see him making a choice to let Lawson escape, or the Jedi escape, or going the other way and screwing Lawson. And the betrayal there.
Matthew
I think he’s a man — well, droid — in a subordinate role. He doesn’t call Lawson “master.” He is Lawson’s subordinate, but the way any lower person on the police force would be. At one point he says, “I will respect your authority,” in a way that’s pretty damn pointed. It’s very like, I’ll do it, I don’t believe in you, but I’ll do it. So all right. Well, those are the main things I wanted to hit. Any last details or plot lines you want to dive into?
Alex
I just wanted to give a little extra just desserts on the lightsaber duel between Daki, Devon, and Maul. I thought it was really well choreographed, really fun to watch. Watching Maul fight is always just a treat — seeing the expansion of the dual lightsaber style even through animation. And Devon seems very devoted to Daki, doesn’t she? But you could see the anguish in her eyes. I think losing Daki — very similar to Ventress losing her master — could just push her over the edge, because she has lost everything.
Losing her master could be the final push needed to really bring her to the dark side. And I’m very excited to see that happen. I’m also honestly very excited to see where the next episode starts. The Empire getting involved on a new planet and kind of taking over — I really often see the Empire already existing on a planet, but we don’t very often see the Empire pull up to a planet early in the post-Clone War era and just take over. We’ve seen it here and there, but it’s always interesting to see how quickly an authoritarian regime could just set up shop.
Matthew
Yeah, we’ve seen versions of it in Andor, but yes — another different version of it. Definitely interesting.
Alex
Yeah, so I’m excited. I think the show has been really, really engaging so far. And a truly worthy show — people were asking, can Maul carry this? Is this show going to be good? What could they possibly do with the character? I’ve been very impressed.
Matthew
Yeah, me too. And I’ll just say on what you said about the lightsaber fights — we’ve commented on this before, but especially when they fight in dark areas, the colors of the lightsabers become so definitional. When it’s Devon and Daki fighting Maul’s double blade, they’re using their own lightsabers. But then when it’s Devon and Maul and Maul is just toying with her — she’s trying to kill him and he’s just having fun, he literally has his hand behind his back — they both had red lightsabers. And just the number of times where her lightsaber was in front of her face, lighting up her face, showing you the anger, the rage, the dark side there. I can’t speak to the choreography because it’s animated, but the way they are setting up the scenes and telling the story with those visuals, using the color of the lightsaber blades — that is just so well done. Very impressive.
Alex
Yeah, I’m excited. I think there are going to be more fights in the coming episodes. I think next week we’re going to get an Inquisitor fight, which is going to be really fun.
Matthew
All right, well listeners, what do you all think? What are your thoughts on this? Is Two-Boots a snitch? Is he a narc? Is he something else? Should Lawson have joined up with Maul? Should Matthew be thrown in the brig for thinking about these things? How are these lightsaber fights holding up to your favorites from whatever piece of Star Wars media that is?
Let us know. Write to Matthew at TheEthicalPanda.com, or go to our show notes at TheEthicalPanda.com and there you’ll find all the ways to contact us. We had some listener feedback for last week’s episode and we’d love some for the deeper reflections we’re going to do in a couple of days. Please let us know. Thank you all so much for listening. May the force be with you.
Alex
Stay classy, Dathomir.
