Tommy Metz III
Oh Pete, welcome back everybody.
Pete Wright
Tom.
Tommy Metz III
Pete, we have been podcasting together for what, like 29 years?
Pete Wright
Yeah, somewhere around there.
Tommy Metz III
I don’t know. It feels like a long time. And even after all that time, you know what I love? I feel like I can still surprise you. I can still surprise you, Pete.
Pete Wright
Okay. Okay.
Tommy Metz III
Because, and hold on to your hats and put on another pair of socks because your first pair is going to be blown off. Would it surprise you to know that, Pete, I, Tommy Metz III, am not a car guy? Yep. Sorry, ladies. I am not the gearhead that you surely have made me out to be.
Pete Wright
I’m sorry, I was just queuing up “Greased Lightning” to play as your backing track. Maybe I should go back to something else.
Tommy Metz III
Yeah, I mean I’m sure people are like, “Wait, this clearly can’t be the Tom Metz that I know.”
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Tommy Metz III
“He’s like the Dax Shepard of this podcast.” Nope. Unsurprisingly, I have never really cared about cars and I have no idea how they work. So we thought maybe I would be the perfectly imperfect person to talk about adulting and car maintenance. I’ve never been a car guy. It’s not like I grew out of it. Like I had friends, stereotypically, that had Lamborghini posters on their bedroom walls growing up.
Pete Wright
Oh yeah.
Tommy Metz III
And I maybe would have, but there were just so many Rick Astley posters, there was just no room. All the Rick Astley. So before I dive into my nonsense, because you are an interesting person in that you were really handy in certain things and not as handy in certain things. You were a technical marvel. We call you the peerless Pete Wright because you make all the beeps and boops work for 900 podcasts. Are you a car guy? We’ve never really talked about you and cars, I don’t think.
Pete Wright
Maybe a little bit, yeah. I mean, I love cars.
Tommy Metz III
Uh huh.
Pete Wright
I do love cars. I do. And like for example, of all the garbage on my walls, what you can’t see because it’s out of focus, I actually have the die-cast models of the Ford GT40 Mark II and the Ferrari 330 P3.
Tommy Metz III
I don’t know what we’re saying.
Pete Wright
And I’ve had them forever in a collection of cars, but I kept them.
Tommy Metz III
Yeah.
Pete Wright
And those were the cars that were famously raced in the 24 Hours at Le Mans, showcased in Ford vs. Ferrari. And F1.
Tommy Metz III
Oh, and you’re a huge, right, and we’ve talked ad nauseum about you and your love. You’re fairly nascent, if that means, of F1. Oh, of course you’re a car guy. I’m such a dummy.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Tommy Metz III
I promise I listen to you.
Pete Wright
I would say it’s not even nascent anymore. Now it’s going on like ten years.
Tommy Metz III
Oh yeah. Is it really that long?
Pete Wright
Yeah. I do find I really, I mean, I have always loved cars.
Tommy Metz III
Wow.
Pete Wright
I love new cars. I love shopping for cars. I love buying cars.
Tommy Metz III
You do.
Pete Wright
I do love that. I am not handy with anything other than driving cars though.
Tommy Metz III
Like getting in there and diagnosing and fixing things.
Pete Wright
Yeah. Right.
Tommy Metz III
Okay.
Pete Wright
Especially anymore. You just can’t. But I will tell you, can I tell you one aside?
Tommy Metz III
Please.
Pete Wright
When I was 17 years old, there was a former racer in Colorado Springs, Colorado, who set up a business called Master Drive. And he would set up a course and he would go out to the Sky Sox baseball stadium.
Tommy Metz III
Okay.
Pete Wright
And they would wet the stadium and it was an ice and crisis driving school. And so after you get your license, it was open for adults and teens and everything, you’d bring your own car and they would teach you. You’d put a helmet on.
Tommy Metz III
Cool.
Pete Wright
Right.
Tommy Metz III
Oh.
Pete Wright
And they would teach you how to drive your car in ice and crisis situations. And so I was doing slaloms in reverse. I was doing slaloms forward. They would teach you how to throw your car into a handbrake spin and then get out of it and recover. Like it was a serious, it felt like stunt driving, and it was an incredible experience, and I felt like I’ve never felt really more alive.
Tommy Metz III
Wow, it’s like stunt driving school.
Pete Wright
I don’t think I ever lost that experience of just driving and the exhilaration of driving. So I love that.
Tommy Metz III
What?
Pete Wright
Now the floor is yours.
Tommy Metz III
Well, and growing up in Colorado, like now the only thing to fear is other people and all the other cars in Los Angeles.
Pete Wright
Yes. Yep.
Tommy Metz III
But with the elements, like learning how to steer into the skid, all of those basic things that you learn, how to stop just sort of spinning around, pump the brakes, don’t just shove them up.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Tommy Metz III
Yeah, those have still stayed with me.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Tommy Metz III
I just have nowhere to put them.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Tommy Metz III
Well, you brought up when you were 17, I want to, I’m not going to give you a history of all of my cars, but I want to talk about one in particular.
Pete Wright
Okay.
Tommy Metz III
Because it definitely gets into car maintenance. My first car was a used Jeep Cherokee. Okay, so that tells you. I had trouble with the name of the car. It was a used Jeep Cherokee and I called, oh, do you name your cars, your personal cars?
Pete Wright
I did for a while.
Tommy Metz III
I always have. Did you?
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Tommy Metz III
I still, you grew out of it.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Tommy Metz III
I still have it.
Pete Wright
I think I had my cars for so long, and once you’re co-owner of a car, I don’t know why.
Tommy Metz III
Oh, that’s true.
Pete Wright
She doesn’t get into it.
Tommy Metz III
Sure.
Pete Wright
It’s like less cute when it’s just me.
Tommy Metz III
When you’re like, “I’m taking Cheryl out.”
Pete Wright
She’s like, “Oh, do you mean the Hyundai?” Right. Right.
Tommy Metz III
Well, my first car, I called it Peace. And that was short for “peace of,” you could go ahead and fill in the rest. Because I’m jumping ahead. It turned out to be such a lemon that we threatened legal action against the dealership.
Pete Wright
Oh, my God.
Tommy Metz III
And they ended up giving us a huge deal on the next replacement car. Okay, so let’s talk about Peace for a second. And this does have a point. This car had a super cool bonus function where the keys, you know, this is way before key fobs.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Tommy Metz III
Keys and ignitions were pretty important. Not to this car. The keys could just fall out and the car would just keep driving. And I’d have to, sometimes I would park and go to take my keys out and be like, ugh, they’re already out. And I’d have to search under the floorboards for the keys. And there was this one time that friend of the show, he’s come up, Scott Lamb.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Tommy Metz III
This would have been in high school. He was in shotgun. I was driving us. We were in Table Mesa in Boulder. And I was, I don’t remember what I was doing, but I was annoying him. I was making fun of him or making fun of something. And to get back at me, he rolled down his window, leaned over, took the keys out of my car, and threw them out the window. And we were going 35 miles an hour. And I was like, “Why?” And we had to slam on the brakes, park in the middle of the street, and go find the keys to my car that was still running so I could actually lock it. Outstanding.
Pete Wright
Oh yeah, that’s good.
Tommy Metz III
And there’s one other big story about this car. And my apologies, there’s a really good chance that I’ve told this story. I don’t know when it would have come up, but we were, I think we were also in Table Mesa. Everything bad happens in Table Mesa. The thing about this car was the steering wheel was loose.
Pete Wright
Oh, okay. Okay.
Tommy Metz III
Like it would move up and down. Almost like, and sometimes it would feel so loose where I’d have to kind of jam it back into the dashboard in order for it to be a steering wheel again.
Pete Wright
Yeah, I’m not a diagnostician. I don’t think that’s supposed to work that way.
Tommy Metz III
And then once we were at a stoplight and I was leaning, just sort of idly leaning on the steering wheel. And it came off. The steering wheel. And Scott Lamb backed this up. This sounds like a fake story. And it was just connected by wires. And what did I get to do with Scott Lamb in shotgun? I got to say, “Quick, take the wheel.” And give him the wheel. And that’s one of my most favorite memories I have. And people, we were at a stoplight, people start beeping at us as the light turns green.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Tommy Metz III
And we’re like, “We have no way of doing car stuff right now. You just have to go around.” And we had to get it towed. The reason I think that I’m bringing this up…
Pete Wright
Like you couldn’t put it back in and relodge it, no?
Tommy Metz III
Oh no. No.
Pete Wright
It was done.
Tommy Metz III
See, here’s why I bring all that up. When we had it towed, and when the dealer was like, “Oh no, the steering wheel’s over there,” my father was like, “And this just happened?” And I was like, “Well, it’s been pretty loose for like a couple months.” And he was like, “What do you mean?” And I’m like, “Sometimes, you know, how you have to jam the steering wheel back into the dashboard.” He’s like, “No.”
Pete Wright
That’s not a thing you have to do ever.
Tommy Metz III
That’s not a thing. None of this occurred to me. I guess I was like, yep, used cars. That’s how they work. You just sort of put a couple band-aids on and every once in a while the steering wheel falls off.
Pete Wright
Oh my God, that’s delightful.
Tommy Metz III
It just never occurred to me of like, oh, this is a real problem. And my friends’ cars were pretty crappy.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Tommy Metz III
There was one, my friend TJ, he had a BMW, but in quotes, like it was a very old BMW, and it had a cool function where it had windshield wipers.
Pete Wright
Right.
Tommy Metz III
One of them would go up and wash the windshield. And the other one would rub on the hood of his car. And our joke always was we would be like, “Oh, he thinks he’s doing such a good job,” right? The wiper’s like, “I’m a part of the car! I’m helping out!” And it just never worked. So I just, yeah, I’ve just never had any kind of basic function or self-preservation about cars because I just never learned about them.
Pete Wright
It’s amazing.
Tommy Metz III
And when you just don’t have an interest in it, it’s just another language. I mean, we’ll get to the idea that you said self-diagnosing is almost impossible now because with all the technology inside. But even when cars were just not made of microchips, I still had no idea. Now, one thing that I’ve always been really impressed by and I’ve never had is when you have like a personal mechanic, not a personal mechanic, but like an independent mechanic who you know their name, you’re seeing them. Do you have that person?
Pete Wright
Ridiculously valuable having that asset.
Tommy Metz III
That’s what I’ve heard.
Pete Wright
A hundred thousand percent.
Tommy Metz III
I know.
Pete Wright
Now I will just tell you, it comes with its challenges because again, if you have a car that was made after, what, 2011, they’re gonna say a lot to you. “I can do up like 80%, but that last 20% you have to go to the dealer.”
Tommy Metz III
Right.
Pete Wright
And that makes it very challenging for them and for us.
Tommy Metz III
Right.
Pete Wright
And like now one of our cars is totally electric. We can’t go anywhere else.
Tommy Metz III
Oh, to get it fixed.
Pete Wright
There are no fluids to change.
Tommy Metz III
That’s it, right?
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Tommy Metz III
I didn’t even think about that with electric cars.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Tommy Metz III
It’s all beeps and boops. You need a robot to fix a robot.
Pete Wright
Right. Yep. Yep.
Tommy Metz III
Well, okay, so maybe I don’t feel as bad. They are slowly getting phased out, at least of some of the situation that they’re in. I’ve always been a little bit wary also of independent car mechanics. I’m about to tell a story that is not, it is a chain, but it made me feel like even if this chain does this, and this has probably happened to 900,000 people, but it was novel for me. I was at a Jiffy Lube getting an oil change, and a guy came in and he was holding this disc of nonsense and he was like, “This is your air filter. Look how dirty it is. Do you want to replace it?” And I was like, “Not this time.” I just didn’t have enough money. Like I was barely sort of scraping by. This was a zillion years ago. And he was like, “You sure? It’s pretty important.” I was like, “I’ll do it next time. I promise I’ll put it on the list.”
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Tommy Metz III
So he goes, “Okay.”
Pete Wright
Okay.
Tommy Metz III
And he leaves and he goes back into the garage and I’m standing up at the counter. I don’t know if he knows it, but there’s a camera pointing at the garage so we can see all the work that they’re doing.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Tommy Metz III
And I see him walk by and the air filter, my quote-unquote air filter that he’s holding, I see him just throw it in the trash. It was not my air filter. It was a scam. He had a gross air filter that was not my air filter and was trying to upsell me for something that apparently I didn’t need because he just threw it in the trash. And ever since I was like, “Hmm, all right, Jiffy Lube.”
Pete Wright
Wow.
Tommy Metz III
And I say it like that.
Pete Wright
You know, I’ll tell you, we have a, it used to be a Jiffy Lube but now it’s like a Valvoline or something. They’ve changed brands. But what I like about those guys is that they’re the ones that do the oil changes and all the filters and stuff while you’re sitting in the car watching them.
Tommy Metz III
Okay.
Pete Wright
Like they literally, you watch them take out the air filter.
Tommy Metz III
You’re in the car.
Pete Wright
Yeah. You just pull up over a bay, so there are people under you, and they just do everything like you’re in a pit crew situation.
Tommy Metz III
Yeah.
Pete Wright
And it’s great. Because they can’t scam you, right? There’s no scam.
Tommy Metz III
Right.
Pete Wright
You’re watching them take your filter out and show it to you. And then they show you a new one next to it and they say, “See?” And then I say, “What would you do if it was your car?” And they say, “I think you’re probably fine.” They’ve been really good.
Tommy Metz III
That’s great.
Pete Wright
So.
Tommy Metz III
My way of getting around all this stuff, and I don’t feel great about it, but it’s just the way, it was also sort of the way that I was brought up. I just always go to the dealership.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Tommy Metz III
I go to, if they have a service center, the place where I bought. And I know that the con of that, I mean, not con like a trick, but like pro-con, the con is you’re probably overpaying.
Pete Wright
Yeah. Yep.
Tommy Metz III
That’s just sort of how it goes. The overhead, because they have overhead. I mean, it’s just so much more. You’re overpaying. But at my place, one of the things that they do is before they do any work, they do a full on video walkthrough and then send it to me.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Tommy Metz III
And so that’s the version of being in the car. They send it to me and then they don’t do any work without checking it.
Pete Wright
So anyone can actually see.
Tommy Metz III
And I can say yes, yes, yes, no, no, no. That kind of thing. And that’s kind of what I feel comfortable with. Also, the dealership, and this is just me talking to myself, the dealership doesn’t intimidate me as much as I feel like regular mechanic shops do.
Pete Wright
Mm-hmm.
Tommy Metz III
The times when I’ve had a vehicular emergency and have needed to go to like the nearest place.
Pete Wright
Totally get that.
Tommy Metz III
Like, this is not a “make an appointment at your dealership” situation. It’s the same feeling that I get, oh, we’ve talked about like when I walk into a Home Depot. Where it’s like, I need an adult.
Pete Wright
Oh yeah. Yeah.
Tommy Metz III
Like that scent of lumber hits me, and I’m immediately four years old and I have no idea what I’m doing.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Tommy Metz III
And just the embarrassment of, because I just don’t know what any of these lights mean. And a lot of the lights just mean “problem.” Like, there’s the, under “check engine” is like 19 things now.
Pete Wright
Yes.
Tommy Metz III
And so it’s just sort of “problem.” And I haven’t had to do it a lot, but I have had to do that very cliche, gross thing of, “Well, at one point it sort of was like rumba rumba rumba rumba. And then later it was like kachunk, kachunk, kachunk.” And I’m like, ugh, I’m so lame. And I can just assume that they are judging me. And then they’ll be like, “Well, have you checked the fan belt?” And I’ll be like, “That’s your job.”
Pete Wright
What belt?
Tommy Metz III
I don’t know what I’m saying.
Pete Wright
My belt’s fine.
Tommy Metz III
Yeah. I just roll in and I’m like, “I’ll take all your air filters.” Just please be nice to me. I’ll take every air filter you have. I’ll just stack them up. And there’s none of that at the dealership. But I do feel like kind of a punk. As an adult, I feel like I should have a person. But I did do a little bit of…
Pete Wright
I think the new, cause what year is your car?
Tommy Metz III
Oh, I got a new car this year. Yeah. Or just last year.
Pete Wright
Okay, so it’s brand new, right?
Tommy Metz III
Brand new.
Pete Wright
You just, that’s your cycle.
Tommy Metz III
Yeah.
Pete Wright
Like how often do you, do you lease, do three years and get a new car?
Tommy Metz III
No, I keep cars for forever.
Pete Wright
How do you do it?
Tommy Metz III
My last car was from 2016.
Pete Wright
Okay. Okay.
Tommy Metz III
So I keep, I’m very, very loyal because, and part of that is because I don’t care about cars.
Pete Wright
So you’re on kind of a ten year plan, roughly.
Tommy Metz III
So I get a car, I immediately fall in love with it, I name it, and then I just keep it until it doesn’t make sense anymore. Like when you take it in.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Tommy Metz III
My last one, the only reason I had to sell it and get a new one is because it was still in good shape, but it was just so old that every natural checkout was like twelve thousand, twelve hundred dollars. It was just too much.
Pete Wright
Everything was happening. Yeah. Right. I think you’re doing the right thing. I think you have the right mentality about it.
Tommy Metz III
Really?
Pete Wright
Yes, you could pay less if you found somebody you trust. But that’s hard to do. We have a Volkswagen. One of our cars is a Volkswagen and it’s a 2017, and it has some smarts to it, but also a lot of stuff that somebody who has a good specialty in European cars can just fix. And Kira happens to be, my wife Kira happens to be on a swim team with the mechanic who runs a European car independent shop, and they swim together.
Tommy Metz III
I love all of that.
Pete Wright
What are the odds you think of him trying to scam us when they have to get in the pool together the next day, right?
Tommy Metz III
Right, yeah.
Pete Wright
Like my confidence level is pretty high with them. But the same can go for the dealership. Like we’ve been buying Hyundais for a long time. We like Hyundai and the local Beaverton Hyundai has been very good to us. And the people in the service center know us and we know them and they’ve not turned over, right? So you get the same people that you’re dealing with. And we’ve developed a relationship. We may not swim with the guys, but they’re, we trust them because of years of support. I think you’re doing the right thing. The more important thing is just making sure you’re doing the service because there were…
Tommy Metz III
Right, that I’m keeping up with the stuff, yes.
Pete Wright
When I was a kid, it was easy to ostrich, right? It was easy to see a light and just pretend like the steering wheel was in the way and I never saw it, right?
Tommy Metz III
Yeah.
Pete Wright
And I would just do that.
Tommy Metz III
Well obviously I did that. I mean my steering wheel fell off.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Tommy Metz III
Yeah.
Pete Wright
Until your steering wheel fell off. Man, what an object lesson you are. That’s incredible.
Tommy Metz III
It was, yeah. I’m an exciting person.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Tommy Metz III
It does, I appreciate you saying that, and there is backup on the internet. I did look up some stuff and they said exactly what you said. Back in the day, yeah, it made more sense, but now the dealership has legitimate experts that know everything about this one car. And that just doesn’t happen with all the beeps and boops anymore with independents. So I feel better about it, which is good, but I still want a guy or a girl.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Tommy Metz III
I just want a person.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Tommy Metz III
But.
Pete Wright
You know, there was a, here’s a thing a dealership can do. We had a hybrid electric Hyundai during the pandemic. And, you know, it’s an electric car. It has a big plate of batteries underneath it.
Tommy Metz III
Okay.
Pete Wright
And that plate of batteries, the giant EV battery, failed. And so we took the car into the dealership and they said, “Well, you shouldn’t drive this.” Okay, what do we do? “Well, since we’re the dealership and you are with us and this car has been with us for a while, we’re gonna give you a loaner.” And we had that loaner, Tom, because it was the pandemic and it was really hard to get car parts, for four months.
Tommy Metz III
That’s not a loaner, that’s a keeper.
Pete Wright
Right? We drove a brand new loaner, service loaner that had, I mean, we walked out and it had eighty miles on it.
Tommy Metz III
Wow.
Pete Wright
And we brought it back and it was like two and a half thousand miles on it.
Tommy Metz III
Yeah.
Pete Wright
Like, it was our car. And what service center can you do that with? Like an independent?
Tommy Metz III
Right.
Pete Wright
Those kinds of things really just further reinforce, you know, what you need to do.
Tommy Metz III
Right. Yeah. They’ll be like, “I don’t know, I can give you a ride to Kroger or something.”
Pete Wright
I can point you at the bus stop, or I could let you use my phone to log into your Uber account because I’m sure as hell not going to comp you, right?
Tommy Metz III
Yeah, you can use our landline to cancel all of your appointments.
Pete Wright
You know.
Tommy Metz III
Is that a good way to help you out?
Pete Wright
Oh, here’s one that I do want to say. Les Schwab. Have you ever done a Les Schwab experience?
Tommy Metz III
No.
Pete Wright
Oh my god, Les Schwab.
Tommy Metz III
What is, wait, but why does that sound so familiar? Okay, oh, Charles Schwab.
Pete Wright
They’re huge.
Tommy Metz III
That’s what I’m thinking of.
Pete Wright
Charles Schwab is not what we’re talking about.
Tommy Metz III
I actually have a Charles Schwab account. That’s different. Go ahead. Charles Schwab does not want to look at my car once.
Pete Wright
No, they do not care.
Tommy Metz III
No.
Pete Wright
Les Schwab is a tire and brake facility, right? And they’re all over the West Coast. I don’t know how far east they go, but Les Schwab is everywhere and they are legitimately an incredible customer service organization. You get a flat, you get a nail in your tire, you go into them and you say, “I’ve got a nail in my tire.” They’ll take you within an hour and they will fix that tire for free. And you’re walking out the door. And why do they do that? Because they hope that when you need new tires, you’ll come back.
Tommy Metz III
You’ll come back.
Pete Wright
What has happened to us? We have never bought a set of tires from the dealership. We always say, “Oh, we need new tires. Thanks.” We’re going to go over to Les Schwab. A hundred percent of the time we go to Les Schwab. They are the best. We love them. Their advice has always been great. And they help us actually process tire decisions and brake decisions. Love those guys.
Tommy Metz III
Yeah.
Pete Wright
Cannot recommend them enough. Les Schwab Tire Centers. Amazing, amazing, amazing.
Tommy Metz III
Are we trying to get sponsored? This is exciting.
Pete Wright
That was it. I think we are.
Tommy Metz III
Yeah.
Pete Wright
I think we are.
Tommy Metz III
Yeah, go to LesSchwab.com backslash adulting.
Pete Wright
I didn’t even know that.
Tommy Metz III
Yeah.
Pete Wright
But it’s almost Valentine’s Day. Maybe we’re trying to get a little tire hook up. I don’t know. How much fun is washing your clothes?
Tommy Metz III
Loads. What happened to the leopard that fell into the washing machine?
Pete Wright
He came out spotless. Why was Billy Joel’s laundry still wet?
Tommy Metz III
Because he didn’t start the dryer.
Pete Wright
And then there’s the harrowing tale of the middle-aged adult podcaster who was unable to write a segment. The Feeling Friends portion of the episodes were personal favorites of him and his co-host, but this time he was coming up dry. For his topics to choose from were car maintenance and/or laundry. And he was finding a difficult way to spin a funny or whimsical or surprising story about either topic. Cars in general? Sure, but it had to be about car maintenance. And that was more difficult. And laundry, let’s just say that tragically, on only the second episode of the eleventh season, his intellectual engines were grinding to a halt, and his storytelling spin cycle was slowing to a crawl. After hours of research, hours of research, all he had were a list of non-starters, basic factoids about each topic that couldn’t be stretched into a full segment. For instance, he now knows that the first laundromat was opened on April 18th, 1934, in Fort Worth, Texas. It was called a Washeteria, and consisted of four washing machines rented by the hour by a man named C. A. Tannehill. Dryers were not available, so customers dragged their wet clothes home to hang on a line. And the woeful podcaster knows that the world’s most dangerous car is, somewhat unsurprisingly, the Tesla, while the most expensive car to maintain is the Ram. He knows that the world’s largest laundromat is in Berwyn, Illinois, and it boasts 140 washers and 170 dryers, quite a step up from Mr. Tannehill’s original operation. He knows that the patron saint of automobile safety is Saint Frances of Rome, and that legend had it that as darkness fell, an archangel guided her with a ball of light along her path, keeping her safe, much like headlights do for cars today. And he knows that the Greek god associated with laundry is most likely Hygieia, the goddess of health and cleanliness, and from where we get the word hygiene. And he knows the patron saint of mechanics is Saint Eligius, a goldsmith and metal worker who, at one point, cut off the leg of a horse that he believed was possessed by devils, attached a horseshoe, and miraculously reattached the foreleg. All while the horse just chilled. What? And this is what the podcaster was left with. Not a viable segment, but a collection of scattered facts and legends. At least he knows them now. And at least now you do too. Want to keep your nonsensical cabinet of podcast curiosities filled to the brim? Then head on over to AllTheFeelings.fun and become a Feeling Friend today. For the season cost of thirty-five dollars, twenty-five dollars renewing, you can get each episode early, special member-only episodes, access to our acclaimed trailer archive, and so much more. Not enough? Here’s something for ya. Half the internet says the first automobile recall was in 1915 because Henry Ford’s Model T seat cushions were filled with Spanish moss that had chiggers inside that would bite the drivers. The other half of the internet says that’s urban legend. Thanks, internet! Pete and I love doing this show, and we could really use your help in keeping the podcast pedal to the metal, and the rinses keep repeating. So please go to AllTheFeelings.fun and become a Feeling Friend today. And now, on with the show.
Pete Wright
Tom, okay. Let me just tell you what I’m thinking about this whole conceit that we have going on. And this year, episode two is not going to be the last episode where we talk about two things that are on the surface largely not related to one another. So I want to tell you how in my head I have related these things to one another.
Tommy Metz III
Oh, okay, sure.
Pete Wright
All right. Under the umbrella of adulting, cars, car maintenance, and laundry are both what I think of as maintenance rituals. Right. These are the repetitive, wholly unglamorous labor of keeping your life from falling apart, right, in one way, shape, or form.
Tommy Metz III
Sure.
Pete Wright
Right?
Tommy Metz III
Yeah.
Pete Wright
Like nobody dreams about oil changes and sorting darks in their dream fantasies. If you do them right, they’re completely invisible to you. And so that’s how I think about these things. These are the invisible labor of adulthood, and there is a weird identity that gets built up around these things. So let’s start with just my identity as a launderer.
Tommy Metz III
Okay.
Pete Wright
I don’t know. I don’t even know.
Tommy Metz III
It’s…
Pete Wright
That seemed more regal than it probably will come out to be.
Tommy Metz III
It made it seem like, “This is my identity of a London launderer.”
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Tommy Metz III
Like it seemed like you were starting this cool song.
Pete Wright
Yes. So the Gilbert and Sullivan act will come later.
Tommy Metz III
Right. Yeah.
Pete Wright
So first, as we’ve said before, I actually like doing the laundry. I like doing it.
Tommy Metz III
That’s right. You are in charge of the laundry, whereas your beautiful wife Kira does the grocery shopping.
Pete Wright
Yes, because of domestic treaty. Yeah.
Tommy Metz III
Right. Okay. That was last episode.
Pete Wright
Grocery shopping.
Tommy Metz III
Okay.
Pete Wright
She doesn’t do the dishwasher.
Tommy Metz III
She does grocery shopping, my apologies.
Pete Wright
She hates the dishes. Oh my dear God, man.
Tommy Metz III
Okay, go ahead.
Pete Wright
If she ever heard you say that she would slap you in your face.
Tommy Metz III
Oh no, in my face.
Pete Wright
Kira likes doing dishes. She’d slap you about your face and head and neck.
Tommy Metz III
Okay.
Pete Wright
This was our domestic treaty, right? Our negotiated settlement where she does the grocery shopping, I do the laundry, and it’s all very fine because she hates the laundry and she’s not great at it and admits it. I’m objectively terrible at grocery shopping. We’ve established that over the course of our last couple of weeks. All right. I also find the laundry a sort of meditative process, right? I like the process. I love the sound. I think there is a sensory appeal to laundry machines. I like the sound of tumbling dryers and spinning washers. I find that really soothing.
Tommy Metz III
See, I don’t get to experience that. I live in an apartment building.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Tommy Metz III
And my washer-dryer is common. There’s like three on each floor, so I don’t really get to experience that.
Pete Wright
Yeah. Well, you could, you’d just have to sit there the whole time. In fact, you’d probably get it more than I would.
Tommy Metz III
That would…
Pete Wright
You could just go hang out and listen to other people’s clothes wash, like a real normal person.
Tommy Metz III
Oh, like a real creeper. “There’s Laundry Tom.”
Pete Wright
So there’s something about that.
Tommy Metz III
“He just wants a quarter.”
Pete Wright
The other thing is it’s a process that I can wrap my head around, right? There is a very clear beginning, middle, and end. And I know when it’s done and I know when I’ve done it satisfactorily. And that has allowed me to develop, I think, what I consider kind of a secret competence, you know, that there’s a domestic task that I feel like I have inexplicably mastered.
Tommy Metz III
Yeah.
Pete Wright
I’ve done it.
Tommy Metz III
Okay.
Pete Wright
I’ve gotten pretty good at it, and I’ll say quietly, but no less nobly, I am proud of it. I’m proud of my laundry. I also have a couple of linchpin moves that I did get from, I’m gonna say it, Marie Kondo, around folding laundry.
Tommy Metz III
Joy Sparker, right?
Pete Wright
Yeah, she’s a real Joy Sparker.
Tommy Metz III
Okay.
Pete Wright
I don’t follow a lot of her stuff, but she taught me how to fold clothes for drawers years ago and that stuck. And our drawers when I’m done with them every week, on point. You’ve never seen a drawer like it. The way socks, underwear, shirts, t-shirts are folded. You’ve never seen anything like it. So that is really satisfying to me because there are not a lot of projects in my life. They’re all so digital, like when I turn off my computer, all of my work goes away. And so there are not many things in my life where I can do something and then see it anymore. And weirdly, stupidly, laundry is one of those things.
Tommy Metz III
Sure. Okay.
Pete Wright
Right?
Tommy Metz III
That makes sense because it’s tactile when it’s happening and then you can, when I finish like cleaning out a closet, for instance, or reorganizing something. Or I just did, I’ve been hanging a bunch of new pictures in my apartment.
Pete Wright
Pictures, yeah.
Tommy Metz III
I will just stop and look at it every once in a while for a while. Because I enjoy the having done it and then seeing the result is fun.
Pete Wright
A hundred percent.
Tommy Metz III
Yeah.
Pete Wright
A hundred percent. You look at pictures of loved ones, I look at folded shirts. It’s the same. Same, same.
Tommy Metz III
Yeah.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Tommy Metz III
Yep.
Pete Wright
So I feel like when you’re talking about dealing with your car and finding a mechanic and the anxiety of maintenance when you have let your steering wheel fall off and you don’t quite understand that, I kind of feel a similar, like I’ve grown into this sort of competence. My laundry is just a fetish of this repetitive drudgery that I’m willing to own and I just have kind of fallen in love with it.
Tommy Metz III
Okay.
Pete Wright
So now we get to talk about some things that I have learned about laundry that I think might help others.
Tommy Metz III
I need all of these things. My laundry game is so basic. It’s always cold.
Pete Wright
Okay.
Tommy Metz III
I do not separate whites and darks. I thought that that was maybe a myth. I have no idea if fabric softener does anything. I buy it and I use it. I know nothing.
Pete Wright
Okay.
Tommy Metz III
So this is good. This is gonna be like when you help me with how leftovers work. Am I a functioning human person? I should maybe keep my cards a little closer to my chest, I feel.
Pete Wright
You’re still upright. The answer is yes.
Tommy Metz III
Every time I’m like, “Oh, that is important, so your teeth don’t fall out.” Okay, go ahead.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Tommy Metz III
I’m ready. I have my pen.
Pete Wright
Well, I want to say you’re already off to a great start because cold does almost everything.
Tommy Metz III
Oh. Right. And that’s, isn’t that, I was taught that, but it seems like I’m hearing that more often. As if like this is new information that’s coming out for certain people.
Pete Wright
It is coming out for certain people because there was a long, you know, it starts with the separating of whites, right?
Tommy Metz III
Yeah.
Pete Wright
Everybody says separate your whites because you can get away with washing your whites. Your whites is your underclothes, your undershirts. Those kinds of things you can wash them on hot because they get really, apparently they get so dirty and sweaty and gross that you have to wash them on hot. And that’s the myth.
Tommy Metz III
Yeah.
Pete Wright
But that’s why you were sorting, and because dark colors, especially on new clothes like jeans and things, may bleed their color into the laundry if washed on warmer temperatures.
Tommy Metz III
Bleed. Right.
Pete Wright
Right.
Tommy Metz III
Got it.
Pete Wright
But what you find now with color-safe fabrics and all kinds of clothing technology is that in fact, as long as you wash on cold water, your clothes are fine. There is actually reason to sort, but it’s not that.
Tommy Metz III
Okay.
Pete Wright
And this is what I think is gonna maybe blow your mind, which we’ll get to in just a second.
Tommy Metz III
Who.
Pete Wright
So I think the only thing you need to wash on any temperature other than tap cold are your sheets and towels, right?
Tommy Metz III
Right, I do do those on hot.
Pete Wright
Because sheets and towels are shedding your bacteria into them when it’s wet. And so you’re sloughing off more goodies and you want to, yeah, all that bacteria.
Tommy Metz III
And it fosters bacteria. Yep.
Pete Wright
Right. And so that’s it. But really, you’re fine. You’re fine.
Tommy Metz III
Okay.
Pete Wright
That’s step one. Step two. You’re using too much detergent. And I say that with an emphasis because almost everyone is using too much detergent.
Tommy Metz III
Okay.
Pete Wright
The cap that you fill if you’re using liquid detergent, or the scoop that has the line that says “fill to here,” it’s designed to make you pour more than you need.
Tommy Metz III
Oh, just to go through the product so you have to buy more?
Pete Wright
Right. I don’t want to say that it’s so far as a conspiracy, but I will say that in general you don’t need as much as you think you do, especially because any newer washing machine is a higher efficiency washing machine, probably. And so when you add too much stuff to it, too much soap to it, it builds residue in the washing machine, in your clothes, they don’t rinse as well. The machine starts to smell weirdly. Adding more detergent can over time cause your washing machine to stink. The cap is lying to you. That’s what I’m saying. The cap is lying. So if you think about that line as a marketing strategy, you can go down to two-thirds of it, maybe half of it, and use that and you’ll probably be better.
Tommy Metz III
Okay.
Pete Wright
Do you need a liquid fabric softener? Do you need some scent boost? My verdict is no. I don’t think you do. I think the less stuff you put in your clothes the better.
Tommy Metz III
Yeah.
Pete Wright
Sometimes you might have a little OxiClean, right? If there was a particular stain or something, put a scoop of OxiClean in the washing machine. But generally, the verdict is kind of uncertain about that too. It’s heavy marketing in cleaning supplies for laundry.
Tommy Metz III
Okay. Yeah.
Pete Wright
So, right. So far, we’re okay about washing, right?
Tommy Metz III
I like it.
Pete Wright
Clean your washing machine. Always clean it. Wipe it out. You have a shared one. What do you think the odds are that somebody’s coming in and cleaning those washing machines?
Tommy Metz III
My apartment building is pretty responsible, but I’ve never seen nor heard of someone doing that.
Pete Wright
Yeah. If you wanted to take that on, do you have to pay for it? Is it coin op?
Tommy Metz III
Yeah.
Pete Wright
So, I mean, you could put a cup of white vinegar in it and run it on a hot cycle empty and it will clean stuff.
Tommy Metz III
Credit card, but yeah. I thought you were saying I have to get in there with like a washcloth and I’m not doing that, but I’d be fine to run it with a vinegar cycle.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Tommy Metz III
Okay.
Pete Wright
Empty, hot cycle, little vinegar in there, it’ll keep it running. And you could run that on a laundry day before you start your clothes and you’ll have a clean washing machine before you get into it. And so yes, the machine that maintains your life also needs maintenance. It’s turtles all the way down again. It’s fine.
Tommy Metz III
Makes sense, yeah.
Pete Wright
Okay. The dryer, Tom.
Tommy Metz III
Okay.
Pete Wright
The dryer is where clothes go to die. Okay?
Tommy Metz III
Okay.
Pete Wright
Let’s just get that out of the way. If you have a way to keep your clothes from heavy heat in the dryer or not drying them as long as you normally would, your clothes will last longer. Heat destroys elastic, it shrinks cottons, it fades colors. If you want them to last, dry less aggressively. And that means medium to low heat, shorter cycles. You’re pulling stuff out slightly damp and hanging them to dry the rest of the way. It is the single biggest thing that will extend the life of your wardrobe. I feel very strongly about this.
Tommy Metz III
Wow. Hanging out like on a line, that’s some Midsommar stuff.
Pete Wright
Oh, it’s good.
Tommy Metz III
That feels very old school.
Pete Wright
Yeah, it’s old school. You tie it to the economics of it.
Tommy Metz III
Yeah.
Pete Wright
Here we are, we complain about the cost of clothes while we’re actively destroying them in the dryer with every load. Right? Okay.
Tommy Metz III
I didn’t think I knew that dryers were so harmful.
Pete Wright
Yeah. Aggressive. Yeah, they are.
Tommy Metz III
Yes, I think that’s a good idea.
Pete Wright
They really are. So now this gets to another fabric point that I think is really important that I don’t think enough people talk about, and that is sorting. Right? We talked about sorting by color.
Tommy Metz III
Right. Yeah, which I don’t do.
Pete Wright
Really, you want to sort by fabric weight and not color exclusively, right?
Tommy Metz III
What? Okay.
Pete Wright
This is kind of an intermediate level move, Tom. I don’t want you to get too excited about it. You don’t have to master it right away. Just start thinking about it, right?
Tommy Metz III
Okay.
Pete Wright
Towels and jeans and things, they are heavy and abrasive to your other clothes. They beat up lighter fabrics. They’re bullies. Jeans are bullies.
Tommy Metz III
In the dryer, we’re saying, or the whole thing?
Pete Wright
In the wash and the dryer.
Tommy Metz III
Oh.
Pete Wright
The whole shebang. And so t-shirts being put in with your jeans and your towels and abrasive fabrics are going to be roughed up like somebody’s trying to steal their lunch money. So sorting by weight actually extends the life of everything.
Tommy Metz III
Oh, because rough can’t beat up rough as easily.
Pete Wright
Rough doesn’t beat up rough as easily. Right. Now this goes hand in hand with, make sure if you throw a hoodie in there that’s a zip up, you always zip up the zipper. Do you zip your zippers before you put them in?
Tommy Metz III
No, why do you do that?
Pete Wright
Because zippers are abrasive. If you just rub a soft t-shirt against a zipper in the washing machine over and over again, you’re going to get pilling on your shirts more actively. You’re going to further damage your clothes. So always zip up your zippers. Turn your jeans inside out. Now, you turn your jeans inside out more because they’ll fade less, unless you want them to fade, that’s fine. But if you want to keep a little bit more color, turn the jeans inside out, button them up, zip them up, and then the zipper won’t be as abrasive to any other clothes. I’ve seen tales of people who, when you take off your socks, you ball them up and throw them in the wash. Don’t wash balled socks, people, please. What are we? Let’s just move on. If there’s anybody who still balls their socks and tries to wash them, your socks don’t get clean when they’re in a ball.
Tommy Metz III
Yeah.
Pete Wright
That’s it. I’m just gonna say it.
Tommy Metz III
That’s what separates us from the animals, everybody.
Pete Wright
Come on. It’s like five minutes of laundry prep. I feel like I’ve let you off the hook in so many ways.
Tommy Metz III
Yeah.
Pete Wright
Just unball your socks. Don’t be that guy.
Tommy Metz III
Well, about all this, I’ve never thought of the washer or dryer as a prison yard before, but it seems like it really is. It’s dangerous in there. Wow.
Pete Wright
Yeah, yeah. So, stains, stain treatment. You sometimes stain things, right? You get a little stain.
Tommy Metz III
Yep. Right now.
Pete Wright
All right, look, so here’s the thing. Right now, right now I’m actively staining something right now.
Tommy Metz III
Don’t worry about it, move right on.
Pete Wright
You’ll never guess what. The longer a stain sits on fabric, the more it sets in the fabric. Okay.
Tommy Metz III
Makes sense.
Pete Wright
You stain something in the kitchen, get a little pasta sauce, something on your shirt, on your white shirt, just take it off, replace the shirt with something else, put something else on. Just put a little dish soap, even if you can’t deal with it right away. Just a little dish soap, even just a little cold water on it, if that’s all you have. And just set it aside so that something is keeping it from setting right away. And then you go ahead and wash it. You can just use the detergent you’re using as a pretreatment. You don’t need a specialty product like a stain stick or anything. But if you have a stain stick, that’s great, something to put on it.
Tommy Metz III
Okay.
Pete Wright
But the sooner you put it on, the better odds you are of getting that stain out. Now, this is another reason that laundry is very close to car maintenance, because most of the problems are like stains, right? They’re much easier to deal with immediately. And if we let them sit too long, they will be permanent.
Tommy Metz III
Right. Yeah, they compound.
Pete Wright
Okay.
Tommy Metz III
Yeah.
Pete Wright
Okay. Two more things, I swear, and then I think I’ll be done with you, unless you have questions. One is I want to address the actual fabric softener sleeper controversy that exists.
Tommy Metz III
Yeah, because I’ve heard rumblings of like that it’s just this big con and it doesn’t really do anything but make everything smell like Tide for two more minutes. Is that true?
Pete Wright
Yeah, yeah.
Tommy Metz III
Or?
Pete Wright
So what it’s doing is, I think most people use fabric softener because their parents did, right? They watched their parents do laundry and that’s what they did, so we did. But what fabric softener is really doing is it’s not doing anything extra for your clothes. It’s coating your clothes in a thin layer of like a waxy residue that makes it feel softer, right? That’s the mechanism. That’s what fabric softener is doing. And that’s actively bad for most things. Think, for example, about taking a towel whose only job is to absorb moisture and coat it with wax.
Tommy Metz III
Yeah, that doesn’t check.
Pete Wright
Right?
Tommy Metz III
Yeah.
Pete Wright
Or active wear, like your gym clothes. These are clothes that are designed to wick sweat away from your body while you’re working out. Coat it with wax.
Tommy Metz III
Huh.
Pete Wright
It no longer does its job, right?
Tommy Metz III
Right.
Pete Wright
And it degrades the clothes. So dryer sheets, they’re the same problem in a different costume.
Tommy Metz III
That’s what I use is dryer sheets.
Pete Wright
Right. They’re just fabric softener. Yeah. They’re just fabric softener in solid form. Leave the same residue. They coat your dryer’s lint screen over time, which reduces airflow in the lint screen and makes it a genuine fire hazard, right? So I think that any of those extra fabric softening tools are not good for your clothes. The alternative is actually pretty simple. This is one of those, I don’t know when I first heard it, but again, vinegar in the laundry is really, really good. And so if you drop a little white vinegar in the rinse cycle of your washing machine, just a half a cup, in the fabric softener dispenser if you have one that has separate dispensers.
Tommy Metz III
Yeah.
Pete Wright
It will soften naturally. It’ll kill odors, it’ll cut bacteria, it leaves no residue, and your clothes will not smell like vinegar, I promise. It evaporates. It’s one of those things. It sounds fake, but it is a legitimate alternative to fabric softener and works great. So that’s one.
Tommy Metz III
And then okay, wow.
Pete Wright
What do you think?
Tommy Metz III
So you…
Pete Wright
What do you feel? Are you feeling feels right now?
Tommy Metz III
I am. Would you, if I, let’s say I’m not gonna do the vinegar right away but is one thing I could do is just stop using all fabric softener? Just get rid of it?
Pete Wright
Yes. Just get rid of it.
Tommy Metz III
The end.
Pete Wright
The end.
Tommy Metz III
I love it. I love it.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Tommy Metz III
Okay. I can do that.
Pete Wright
I think you should try the vinegar. I think you should try it. I think you should give it a shot.
Tommy Metz III
Okay.
Pete Wright
Okay, last, we have to talk about the laundry of privilege. And that, of course, is dry cleaning. Do you have anything that requires dry cleaning?
Tommy Metz III
I, let’s see, suits. I always dry clean.
Pete Wright
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tommy Metz III
Like if I go to a wedding, I just naturally, when I get home from a trip, I give it to the dry cleaners.
Pete Wright
Okay, all right.
Tommy Metz III
And it’s just like, I think I was just told to do that. I used to, when I was a PA, one of my bosses, he would dry clean, I would dry clean because I was in charge of doing that for him.
Pete Wright
Of course.
Tommy Metz III
All of his clothes, and that included jeans. And I remember thinking, huh, that seems like a privileged thing.
Pete Wright
Oh my gosh.
Tommy Metz III
Like t-shirts, everything was at Fleur Cleaners, yeah.
Pete Wright
That is a really interesting way to do stuff.
Tommy Metz III
Yeah.
Pete Wright
I don’t know that I would, yeah.
Tommy Metz III
I think some people just have too much money, Pete. They hate it. Ugh, get rid of this money.
Pete Wright
Wow.
Tommy Metz III
Yeah.
Pete Wright
Okay. So here’s the thing about dry cleaning. First of all, do you know what dry cleaning really is?
Tommy Metz III
Yeah.
Pete Wright
That’s a trick question.
Tommy Metz III
Oh.
Pete Wright
Is it dry?
Tommy Metz III
Oh no. Have I never even thought about what dry cleaning is? I legitimately have no idea what dry cleaning is. What I think about dry cleaning is it’s more, it’s expensive because it’s really delicate. But it gets your clothes extremely clean. That’s sort of the not-thinking-about-it-before thing of how dry cleaning works. How you do that, I have no idea. And now that I’m thinking about it, my guess is it’s not dry because it involves chemicals, and these are thoughts I’m having for the first time in my life, my unexamined life. Is that true?
Pete Wright
Yes, that is absolutely true.
Tommy Metz III
Chemicals, okay.
Pete Wright
Now, here’s the problem with dry cleaning.
Tommy Metz III
Yeah, yeah.
Pete Wright
First of all, confirmed. It is not actually dry. It uses a liquid chemical solvent instead of water. That solvent is perchloroethylene, which is genuinely not great for you or the environment, but it does make your clothes seem really, really great. The clothes essentially are going into a washing machine that just uses chemicals instead of water. And so there is a mystique around dry cleaning that makes it feel like the clothes are actually new, but you’re really just paying for a different kind of washing machine. It is wildly disproportionate to the reality of what is going on. “Dry clean only” is a hedge against liability.
Tommy Metz III
Okay.
Pete Wright
It is not a necessity. So manufacturers will slap “dry clean only” on things to protect themselves. So dry-clean-only stuff, wool sweaters, silk blouses, any of your unstructured garments like knits and things that can pull apart and get stretched if they’re violently jostled about, they’re fine being hand washed gently in cold water with a little detergent and laid flat to dry. They’re totally fine. The label is the clothing equivalent of “talk to your doctor before you engage in cliff jumping,” right? It’s legal caution, it’s not practical truth.
Tommy Metz III
Okay, sure.
Pete Wright
Now, when you genuinely need dry cleaning. When you talk about suits, these are what we call structured garments, and they have an internal construction to them. They have like a scaffolding to them when they are made to keep their shape. And that includes like thicker fabric lining to keep shoulders intact, canvassing on the backs, a lot of fabricy terms. They lose their shape in water. So heavily embellished or beaded things, leathers and suedes, you don’t want to put leather in there because that’s not great just being tossed about. So you’re probably still gonna want to go with a dry cleaner, but that’s why you don’t, like, try not to sweat a lot in your suits. You know what I mean? Like you want to wear them several times. Don’t dry clean them after every wear because it’s not great for you.
Tommy Metz III
Got it.
Pete Wright
But the smell is a lie. Right? The smell that people get fresh from the dry cleaner, it’s literally residual chemical solvent. Stop smelling that. It’s like smelling gasoline. Stop smelling that. It’s not clean, right?
Tommy Metz III
Oh my god, this is…
Pete Wright
That’s not what it means. It’s actually just off-gassing. So, there you go.
Tommy Metz III
Oh, now I feel bad for sucking on my suits when I get ’em back.
Pete Wright
What? Why do I keep sucking my suits?
Tommy Metz III
Yeah.
Pete Wright
That’s it. That’s my rant on laundry. And it ends in a dry cleaning banger. But that’s what I’ve learned.
Tommy Metz III
I have learned an enormous amount from all of this, especially the prison yard that is washers and dryers.
Pete Wright
Yeah.
Tommy Metz III
I do have one follow-up question because I have actually been taking notes, and this is going to legitimately change how I do things.
Pete Wright
Go for it. I think everybody wants to be in the clear.
Tommy Metz III
Is there, when you buy new clothes, is there ever, say you have like a real delicate t-shirt and then a real old pair of jeans that are real rugged. Like a prison yard, is it good to maybe throw them both in together and the t-shirt has to go up and knock out the pair of jeans first day? So none of the other laundry will mess with it? Is this analogy working? Like what actually happens?
Pete Wright
The shirt is actually just tipped into the back pocket of the jeans.
Tommy Metz III
Oh, because they made fast friends.
Pete Wright
That’s right. No, the jeans made the t-shirt its bitch.
Tommy Metz III
Oh no! Well, that’s kind of like fast friends. Okay. That sounds good. Thank you all so much for joining us for this episode. This week’s tune is “Driving Cars on to Mars” by Milano. And Pete, what are we talking about next week?
Pete Wright
Tom, we are continuing our mashup of adulting topics, and we’re gonna start with you talking about tipping, the trouble with tipping. And I’m gonna pick up with talking about the anxiety that comes along with small home repairs. And let me just go ahead and spoil it. I am less capable than I am with laundry.
Tommy Metz III
I look forward to it. Until then, I’m Tommy Metz III.
Pete Wright
And I’m Pete Wright. Thank you for hanging out with us. We’ll be back next week with All the Feelings: Still Adulting.
